The name calling and lack of civility…
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This is the Politics & Debate thread; therefore, if someone posts a news article or quotes from a news article, why not frame an argument against what the article says or begin a debate about the facts or false assumptions of the article? In my opinion, the only "low quality shit posts" are the ones where childish insults are thrown or massive generalizations are made such as "[certain person] makes all [certain group of people] look bad." This isn't about being politically correct, it's about being civil adults. Someone on here kept saying I deemed everything I didn't agree with as irrational and that simply wasn't the case. I deemed specific arguments irrational only after making my argument why I believed they were irrational, not by simply stating they were irrational just because or only because I disagreed. Instead of forming their argument to counter mine, they just claimed I call everything I disagree with irrational, and then they proceed to flame other posts of mine with irrelevant points that are clearly meant to derail and deflect. If you do not know how to be civil then you should rethink participating in this thread, simple as that. How can we expect to debate when one side is being extremely childish?
I totally agree. :cheers:
The two of you are being hypocritical here. You are offering no substantial input, but intstead just attacking other member - whomever they might be. That is actually against the rules. If you got a complaint, complain to the moderator. Don't rinse out your period stained panties in the forum.
"Name calling" as you put it.. is essentially done on a mass scale by such institutions as the Quinnipiac University, which keeps churning out polls showing Trump and his policies being more and more unpopular. For those who are not aware of it.. Quinnipiac University is known to be one of the most liberal Universities. As we learned from the 2016 election. Poll results are often completely WRONG.
RoyalCrown's post is directed squarely at me.
My reply was a retort to pppussi's comment of "I totally agree". If everybody that agreed or disagreed with a post pulled that stunt, the forum would be flooded with comments of simple "I agree" and "I don't Agree" perhaps pppussi didn't notice the "thumbs up", "thumbs down" icons in the lower right. Sutieday sure knows about them. Sutieday clicks on "thumbs down" on people he doesn't like without even reading the comments, and then denies doing it. I know how long it akes to read 3 paragraphs.. and I've seen Sutieday hit that "Thumbs down" button within 2 seconds of a post popping up.
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The two of you are being hypocritical here. You are offering no substantial input, but intstead just attacking other member - whomever they might be. That is actually against the rules. If you got a complaint, complain to the moderator. Don't rinse out your period stained panties in the forum.
So this was supposed to be a compliment?
No wait, "substantial input"!
There is an expression that goes "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear". Likewise, when someone makes a 3 word comment, I sometimes can't come up with "substantial input". In that one case, I was trying to impress upon ppussi that he should refrain from spamming the forum with his trivial retorts. Sutieday does very little more than click on Thumbs Down and occasionally adds a 3 word shot.
I think that is enough back and forth for today. Let's see if DrWas has dreamed up another 13 new fake topics to share with us today. Maybe something with UFO's today.. or giant rutabagas that speak Mandarin Chinese. -
The two of you are being hypocritical here. You are offering no substantial input, but intstead just attacking other member - whomever they might be. That is actually against the rules. If you got a complaint, complain to the moderator. Don't rinse out your period stained panties in the forum.
So this was supposed to be a compliment?
No wait, "substantial input"!
There is an expression that goes "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear". Likewise, when someone makes a 3 word comment, I sometimes can't come up with "substantial input". In that one case, I was trying to impress upon ppussi that he should refrain from spamming the forum with his trivial retorts. Sutieday does very little more than click on Thumbs Down and occasionally adds a 3 word shot.
I think that is enough back and forth for today. Let's see if DrWas has dreamed up another 13 new fake topics to share with us today. Maybe something with UFO's today.. or giant rutabagas that speak Mandarin Chinese.Instead of you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, my grandmother used to say "You can't make jelly out of shit." That seems especially descriptive of most of Fredericks posts.
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This is the Politics & Debate thread; therefore, if someone posts a news article or quotes from a news article, why not frame an argument against what the article says or begin a debate about the facts or false assumptions of the article?
Why not the original poster frame an argument? You're requiring that people responding come up with an argument, when the original poster didn't even do that? Ludicrous.
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Instead of you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, my grandmother used to say "You can't make jelly out of shit." That seems especially descriptive of most of Fredericks posts.
Low quality shitpost detected. Royalcrown, are you going to call out both sides as above or just conservatives? You clearly have no problem singling out raphjd, as hard as you tried to mask your intent. Hypocrisy much?
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This is the Politics & Debate thread; therefore, if someone posts a news article or quotes from a news article, why not frame an argument against what the article says or begin a debate about the facts or false assumptions of the article?
Why not the original poster frame an argument? You're requiring that people responding come up with an argument, when the original poster didn't even do that? Ludicrous.
This thread is about the lack of civility, not me making an argument for a certain position. Where in my original post did I make a political statement that needed an argument to back up the statement? I have made plenty of threads on here–-the non-satirical ones---that made a claim and I backed up my claim with an argument filled with logical reasoning, not gut-feeling or name-calling or just stating, "You're wrong because I disagree." This entire forum is becoming toxic and it seems like there isn't an honest effort to bring some civility to it.
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This thread is about the lack of civility, not me making an argument for a certain position.
I'm saying that spamming the forum without actually adding any content is rude and incivil. Anyone can use google and turn up the same articles. Reposting them here without saying anything is pointless. Do you really want to turn this forum into a spamming match? I mean, more than it already is?
This entire forum is becoming toxic and it seems like there isn't an honest effort to bring some civility to it.
I absolutely agree.
However, where we disagree is whether you are actually helping or not. Calling out rapjhd when there are easily far more egregious examples, pretty much everywhere, is hypocritical. For example this: https://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=50262.msg273492#msg273492
Liberals love to censor, insult people with accusations of racism, sexism and internalized-homophobia (lol) without actually presenting a counter-argument. But for now at least, this forum provides freedom of speech, and conservatives are wising up to bullying, gas-lighting tactics.
And because the usual tactics are not working here liberals here are definitely salting the earth/poisoning the well, by ramping up the toxicity to 11.
Call out your own side too, because honestly they're not going to listen to us conservatives.
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This is the Politics & Debate thread; therefore, if someone posts a news article or quotes from a news article, why not frame an argument against what the article says or begin a debate about the facts or false assumptions of the article? In my opinion, the only "low quality shit posts" are the ones where childish insults are thrown or massive generalizations are made such as "[certain person] makes all [certain group of people] look bad." This isn't about being politically correct, it's about being civil adults. Someone on here kept saying I deemed everything I didn't agree with as irrational and that simply wasn't the case. I deemed specific arguments irrational only after making my argument why I believed they were irrational, not by simply stating they were irrational just because or only because I disagreed. Instead of forming their argument to counter mine, they just claimed I call everything I disagree with irrational, and then they proceed to flame other posts of mine with irrelevant points that are clearly meant to derail and deflect. If you do not know how to be civil then you should rethink participating in this thread, simple as that. How can we expect to debate when one side is being extremely childish?
See, you had a point for a second there, then you went on the attack. Now I see you as a liar, who is only pandering to your fellow liberals. You are just a partisan hack.
An attack or the truth? Did you or did you not say this in another post, "Maxine Waters makes black people look bad,"? You have repeatedly made disgusting generalizations like this and I have had to tell you on more than one occasion that Maxine Waters does not speak for me and I am black. She does not represent me because I do not live in her district. You cannot say someone speaks for an entire group of people just because you "feel" like that person thinks they represent an entire group of people. I do not make posts saying David Duke represents all white people because HE DOES NOT. He doesn't even represent a significant number of white people because white supremacists are a tiny, tiny extremely small fraction of the population. No white person represents all white people. How am I a liar when there are no posts on here of me ever saying, " represents all white people?" There's plenty of evidence of you saying Don Lemon, Maxine Waters, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and a whole host of other black people represent every single black person. So I ask you again, who is the real liar here?
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Did you or did you not say this in another post, "Maxine Waters makes black people look bad,"? So I ask you again, who is the real liar here?
"Maxine Waters makes black people look bad" is not a statement of fact, but an opinion. So saying that he is "the real liar" is not only a personal attack, but also wrong. Do we really need to spam the forum with all the articles generalizing Trump supporters? Because you KNOW those bigoted articles exist and are 100% serious, whereas what raphjd said was just a quip. I can also point you to all the generalizations about conservatives on these very forum. So what you're saying is also hypocritical, because again, you're only calling out one side.
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Call out your own side too, because honestly they're not going to listen to us conservatives.
My post is for everyone, not just conservative posters. I used raphjd as an example because he has been deflecting and derailing multiple discussions instead of framing an argument on the discussion at hand. And I wholly disagree with you on posting an article title and quotes from an article without stating a personal claim on said title and/or quotes. What is wrong with someone posting an article from a reputable source and only putting it there to start a debate, not to flame people, but to start a debate on the actual article? Why not discuss the merits of that article? Why not make an attempt to prove the article wrong? If a professor prompts the class on a topic, your first response shouldn't be, "this topic is stupid in my opinion; therefore, I want the topic dead."
And you want to talk to me about toxicity when 3 of the same members have been constantly day-to-day downgrading my reputation for the past 2-3 weeks straight? I can see who has been downgrading my reputation on here and it is the same 3 users, 1 of which I clearly pointed out in this thread: https://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=48241.0 As a result, I've went from having a reputation of 11 to one of -3. That is unfair, especially given that I haven't constantly been giving negative reputation responses to them the way they have to me.
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Did you or did you not say this in another post, "Maxine Waters makes black people look bad,"? So I ask you again, who is the real liar here?
Maxine Waters makes black people look bad is not a statement of fact, but an opinion. So saying that he is "the real liar" is not only a personal attack, but also wrong. Do we really need to spam the forum with all the articles generalizing Trump supporters? Because you KNOW those bigoted articles exist and are 100% serious, whereas what raphjd said was just a quip. So what you're saying is also hypocritical, because again, you're only calling out one side.
It is a disgusting generalization and it was said to derail an argument. He called me a liar and a partisan hack, yet I'm in the wrong for asking if he's the liar? How dare you ignore him calling me a liar and act as if I questioned if he is a liar without a reason as a "personal attack?" Posting articles, with the links I may add, is not spamming. If the topics of said articles had nothing to do with politics, then they should be considered spam or should be moved to another thread. This will be my last response to you because I'm not discussing civility with someone who is clearly ignoring certain posts while claiming I'm the only one hurling attacks. Goodbye.
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You are a liar because you claim to want civility, but attack me.
If I, or another conservative, did that to a liberal, the site would be broken from you guys smashing the hell out of the REPORT button.
I noticed you didn't go into the John Lewis conversation, where I pointed out recent 2 proven lies by him and you went bat shit crazy claiming I hate black people because of it.
You and your leftist friends are thread Nazis who think they control each and every topic. We're only allowed to talk about Obama and Hillary if it's in worshipping tones.
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It is a disgusting generalization and it was said to derail an argument. He called me a liar and a partisan hack, yet I'm in the wrong for asking if he's the liar?
You haven't proven that he's a liar based on what you quoted. It's clear you're making this a personal vendetta, as opposed to what you originally claimed.
This will be my last response to you because I'm not discussing civility with someone who is clearly ignoring certain posts while claiming I'm the only one hurling attacks. Goodbye.
I'm not ignoring anything. I don't agree with posters who start off everything with "libtard" either FYI. However, I am pointing out your hypocrisy. If that's too much for you, then sure, goodbye.
And I'm sure that you ignoring a poster, who is much more moderate than other conservatives in this forum, will do wonders to bridge the gap between the two sides. I'm sure you'll think that you'll continue wondering why these forums are devolving into insane toxicity, without realizing your own role.
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You are a liar because you claim to want civility, but attack me.
If I, or another conservative, did that to a liberal, the site would be broken from you guys smashing the hell out of the REPORT button.
I noticed you didn't go into the John Lewis conversation, where I pointed out recent 2 proven lies by him and you went bat shit crazy claiming I hate black people because of it.
You and your leftist friends are thread Nazis who think they control each and every topic. We're only allowed to talk about Obama and Hillary if it's in worshipping tones.
Questioning if you are a liar is not attacking you. You directly called me a liar on multiple occasions. Are those also attacks? Also, when have I reported YOU? Name the time and show the report. I'm waiting.
I've only objected to bringing up Hillary and Obama when a post has absolutely nothing to do with them, but if you want to bring them into a discussion that has nothing to do with them, I'll continue to point out the irrelevance as I've always done. I've never said, "stop talking about Hillary or President Obama if you have nothing nice to say about them." "Thread Nazi," is another attack. Got any more?
Relating to the John Lewis situation, the only thing I repeatedly posted was his legacy and how his legacy was related to the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I specifically stated that I personally disagreed with him saying #45 was illegitimate. I can actually copy and post where I said I disagreed with him questioning #45's legitimacy as president. I stated I believed #45 was elected legitimately and is our president, I have always held that belief and made it known. All I said was John Lewis has a legacy and so does Dr. King and those legacies are related and I support those legacies. I asked you did you agree on the importance of those legacies and as usual, you deflected and derailed; leaving me to believe you do not view the advancement of people of color as important in America; therefore, you left me no choice but to question if you are indeed a racist and/or white supremacist.
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I asked you did you agree on the importance of those legacies and as usual, you deflected and derailed; leaving me to believe you do not view the advancement of people of color as important in America; therefore, you left me no choice but to question if you are indeed a racist and/or white supremacist.
Lol. Literally, don't agree with me = racist white supremacist.
I agree with raphjd here, so I guess that makes me a white supremacist too, despite the fact that my skin tone is closer to yours.
Also, do you even realize that you are the one being blatantly racist here? You are literally conflating political opinion with skin color.
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I never said I was from day 1 someone trying to bring civility to this forum. Carefully read my original post in this very thread and show me where I proclaimed, "I am the epitome of civil posters." Yes, I have not always remained civil but that is not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is that we all make an attempt to do better starting now and moving forward. We don't have to treat each other with massive respect or simply ignore each other all the time, but it is important to frame your arguments and state your position clearly. You can frame your argument and state your position without childish name calling or bringing in wholly irrelevant factors to deflect and/or derail.
If I offended raphjd or anyone else, I do apologize. I've stated to raphjd that I agree with him many times on the issue of immigration and I sympathize with the reason why he's been living in the UK. I've stated that I agree with Frederick many times that Facebook's punishment of free speech is a very, very real thing because I have seen it first hand. The same with Youtube. I've also criticized the left's suppression of free speech, particularly on college campuses. There are acts of violence being committed by those on the left to keep people from speaking and the same isn't happening on the right, and I've gotten down voted for speaking on that truth. My point: I have been willing to agree with people on here and I have been attempting to be more civil, I can't say the same for others.
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I was talking about John Lewis the Congressman (his job for the last 30ish years). Nothing I said had anything to do with civil rights. You made it about racism.
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My point: I have been willing to agree with people on here and I have been attempting to be more civil, I can't say the same for others.
Fair enough but you seem to be the only one. You even get downvoted by your side for being honest. Doesn't that bother you?
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My point: I have been willing to agree with people on here and I have been attempting to be more civil, I can't say the same for others.
Fair enough but you seem to be the only one. You even get downvoted by your side for being honest. Doesn't that bother you?
No it does not bother me. What bothers me is people taking what I say out of context and applying it to things that have absolutely nothing to do with another topic, something both you and raphjd have done. It shows that neither of you have any intention of being civil, mindful of your posts, reasonable with your opinions, supportive of others who actually agree with you, or sympathetic to people who do not look/think like you. I have officially given up and will no longer debate anything with people who have horrible intentions and continue to be unreasonable. Why should I find things to agree with you on and trying to find common ground when you have no intention on doing the same? Done.
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You clearly targeted me, then got butt hurt when I responded.
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