Why are #45 voters and supporters using the "idea" of Hillary now?
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It's your side that keeps the "not our president" and "yeah, but if Hillary won" crap going.
There are still teachers/professors calling the election an act of terrorism/violence on the people of the US.
You guys are just as bad as the Tea Party wanting the country to fail to prove Obama was bad.
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It's your side that keeps the "not our president" and "yeah, but if Hillary won" crap going.
There are still teachers/professors calling the election an act of terrorism/violence on the people of the US.
You guys are just as bad as the Tea Party wanting the country to fail to prove Obama was bad.
With Obama.. even though I despised him, I never hoped for the country to fail. I dreaded how much damage Obama would do and whether the country could ever recover from it. During the 8 year regime of Obama, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that Obama promised to end within the first year of his presidency are still going on. ISIS was born and has thrived. Terrorism has spread all over the world. The debt went from $10 trillion to nearly $20 trillion.
One reason Trump got elected is because there were enough people that realized that the USA could not endure another 4 years of the misguided policies of liberals like Obama. The single biggest issue that boosted Hillary to nearly winning the election was her vow to make taxpayer funded, guilt-free abortions, on-demand.. even up until the day of delivery. Hillary must be very proud! Evil Bitch! -
Considering that most democrats (corporate democrats) still view her as the leader of the party I'd say that discussing her actions is quite relevant and rational. Especially now that she's resurfaced and is looking to run a third time for president. Can you imagine, the woman that lost to DJT is going to challenge him again in 2020?!
It is possible to hold both DJT accountable and HRC. They're both horrible. One of them just doesn't hide it very well.
Is it 2020, sir? Has she said anything to make you believe she is running again? Where is your evidence? Where is video documented footage that she is running for president again? Is she the president right now? How can her actions effect us if she's not in the White House deploying troops, signing deals, meeting with our Congressional leaders? This is irrationality at its finest.
Edit: Hillary Clinton isn't the leader of anything. I am a registered Democrat and Hillary Clinton does not represent me, she is not my president, she holds no office with any power or influence in this entire country. This is my point. You people are attempting to say a private citizen who holds no office or official titles is the alt-president of the United States which is irrational. We do not have an alt-president, we have one president.
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It's your side that keeps the "not our president" and "yeah, but if Hillary won" crap going.
There are still teachers/professors calling the election an act of terrorism/violence on the people of the US.
You guys are just as bad as the Tea Party wanting the country to fail to prove Obama was bad.
With Obama.. even though I despised him, I never hoped for the country to fail. I dreaded how much damage Obama would do and whether the country could ever recover from it. During the 8 year regime of Obama, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that Obama promised to end within the first year of his presidency are still going on. ISIS was born and has thrived. Terrorism has spread all over the world. The debt went from $10 trillion to nearly $20 trillion.
One reason Trump got elected is because there were enough people that realized that the USA could not endure another 4 years of the misguided policies of liberals like Obama. The single biggest issue that boosted Hillary to nearly winning the election was her vow to make taxpayer funded, guilt-free abortions, on-demand.. even up until the day of delivery. Hillary must be very proud! Evil Bitch!@raphjd, 95-98% of what you say is wholly irrational…you know the rest.
@raphjd and @Frederick, Hillary being proud or whatever you think she is once again is irrelevant to anything going on right now. She did not win, there are no "what ifs" in reality. People speculate all the time but what effect does that really have on our reality? He is our president and he is doing an awful job. He is surrounded by highly incompetent people which is why the world is testing our country right now. Yes, both sides have been doing the "he's not my president" crap; the Tea Party and far-right racists did it with Obama and now left-wing extremists are doing it with #45; but the reality remains he was legitimately elected and is our president. He's in the White House and he is making decisions that can effect all of our lives and the lives of people around the world. He needs to be held accountable and I'm glad the media is doing just that. This recent Sean Spicer situation is proof that the media has gotten their act together and will hold this administration accountable to its atrocities.
You can shout until you are blue in the face, Hillary Clinton is not our president and you cannot use the "idea" of her to lessen the impact of #45's incompetence. That is very irrational because we live in reality and we deal with the real world, not make-believe. The "idea" of Hillary running in 2020 or running for mayor has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with #45 making important decisions based on God knows what.
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Irrationality (noun): the quality of being illogical or unreasonable.
Irrational (adjective): not logical or reasonable."Barack Obama is still currently the president of the US" = irrational.
"Private citizen Hillary Clinton is more powerful than the actual president in 2017" = irrational.
"Russia actually changed physical votes in the 2016 election" = irrational.
"#45 hasn't been the president since January 20, 2017 12:00 PM EST" = irrational.
"It is currently the year 2016" = irrational.
because Hillary Clinton is [Y]"; "Well, Hillary Clinton believes [X]; therefore, #45 does [Y] = irrational, unless in a few instances such as, "#45 is the president because Hillary Clinton is the loser," or "Well, Hillary Clinton believes in the Constitution; therefore, #45 does have a right to say he is the legitimate president."Many people in the president's administration may be highly incompetent and use doublespeak to confuse us, but we cannot allow that to change who we are as rational individuals. There are situations where you can be on more than one side; however, you cannot change reality to fit your perspective. My above examples are what you people have been doing on here, attempting to change reality. That is irrational no matter how you try to deflect from that fact, it is irrationality by actual definition. No, it is not still the year 2016. No, Hillary Clinton did not win the election. No, #45 actually is the legitimate president. With all of those truths, why are you attempting to deny the president's accountability using Hillary Clinton or any of the other aforementioned irrational reasons?
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I have not noticed Donald Trump's supporters doing what the OP claims.
I have noticed a lot of people who are angry that Donald Trump won doing this:
It's your side that keeps the "not our president" and "yeah, but if Hillary won" crap going.
There are still teachers/professors calling the election an act of terrorism/violence on the people of the US.
You guys are just as bad as the Tea Party wanting the country to fail to prove Obama was bad.
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I have not noticed Donald Trump's supporters doing what the OP claims.
I have noticed a lot of people who are angry that Donald Trump won doing this:
It's your side that keeps the "not our president" and "yeah, but if Hillary won" crap going.
There are still teachers/professors calling the election an act of terrorism/violence on the people of the US.
You guys are just as bad as the Tea Party wanting the country to fail to prove Obama was bad.
Are you serious? There are more than 15 topics posted on this forum alone about "Hillary Clinton taking Haiti funds," "Hillary Clinton starting a child prostitution pizza ring," "Hillary Clinton" this and "Hillary Clinton" that. There are threads solely about #45 and out of nowhere, his supporters on here bring up Hillary Clinton, the 2016 election and they go on about it as if it isn't the year 2017 or as if Hillary is the actual president. Hillary Clinton is as about as relevant as a potato chip when it comes to the presidency and what's going on in our country right now. Yes, there are people questioning the legitimacy of the election but I AM NOT NOR AM I PROPOSING THAT IN THIS THREAD. That has absolutely nothing to do with the point of this thread. "What ifs" are not a part of this thread.
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@raphjd, 95-98% of what you say is wholly irrational…you know the rest.
So says the person that screams "racism" any time a white person disagrees with black people, regardless of the topic.
You are delusional if you think if the election went the other way that your side wouldn't be saying "yeah but what if Trump won?". We heard that kind of stuff while Obama was in office about republicans who ran against him and even GWB, who couldn't be President again because of term limits.
You are a typical partisan hack. It's ok when your side does it, but the other side is never allowed to do it.
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@raphjd, 95-98% of what you say is wholly irrational…you know the rest.
So says the person that screams "racism" any time a white person disagrees with black people, regardless of the topic.
You are delusional if you think if the election went the other way that your side wouldn't be saying "yeah but what if Trump won?". We heard that kind of stuff while Obama was in office about republicans who ran against him and even GWB, who couldn't be President again because of term limits.
You are a typical partisan hack. It's ok when your side does it, but the other side is never allowed to do it.
Most of your reply is wholly irrelevant to anything I've said, so I'll just respond by saying what I've been saying: Hillary Clinton did not win the election. She is not making decisions to drop huge bombs everywhere without verifying that no great loss of innocent lives are in jeopardy because she is not our commander-in-chief. We only have one president and that president should be held accountable to what he says and does. You CANNOT use the idea of an alternate reality to defend very real actions caused in our very real reality.
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LOL, I reply directly to what you said, but you deem it "irrelevant" because you don't like it.
Anyway, you must live under a rock, because we keep hearing how Hillary wouldn't do this or that, that Trump is doing. Maybe you need to tell your side to stop i,t before coming at us.
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What's crazy is the demoncrats banned the rebel flag because it has a history as "racist" when they founded the KKK. Why don't they ban themselves? Good grief!
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What's crazy is the demoncrats banned the rebel flag because it has a history as "racist" when they founded the KKK. Why don't they ban themselves? Good grief!
I'm glad you began a new thread because what you've posted here in this thread is 100% irrelevant to what this topic is about. This level of deflection is simply :crazy2:
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What's crazy is the demoncrats banned the rebel flag because it has a history as "racist" when they founded the KKK. Why don't they ban themselves? Good grief!
By your logic we should just dissolve the US since we abolished slavery, an moral error we decided to correct. Are you saying that a group is not allowed to absolve itself of the poison of old-world dogma and ideology? The very ideology taken up by republicans when they abused the southern strategy, conducted white flight, artifically elevated housing cost in their neighborhoods to range just above african american affordability, the rise of "segregated" religious private schools. Last year Mississippi was issued another desegregation order. The reason many republicans think as they do today is because their communities continue to resemble the white flight communities of 40 years ago. When you live in a bubble and deem that to be your security, how can one reasonably expect these people to change? After 1970 there are 13 red states that have only ever voted republican whereas all blue states have varied based on candidate, not ideology.
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@raphjd, 95-98% of what you say is wholly irrational…you know the rest.
So says the person that screams "racism" any time a white person disagrees with black people, regardless of the topic.
You are delusional if you think if the election went the other way that your side wouldn't be saying "yeah but what if Trump won?". We heard that kind of stuff while Obama was in office about republicans who ran against him and even GWB, who couldn't be President again because of term limits.
You are a typical partisan hack. It's ok when your side does it, but the other side is never allowed to do it.
It can be expected that this rhetorically conversely wouldn't have become so mainstream because their is little precedent of it. Hillary ruminates so heavily on Trump supporter minds because she was vilified and elevated to an infamy far beyond her character and reality. The things many trump supporters regurgitate that are untrue are manifold and persistent. The things are usually horrible beyond belief and yet forever taken for true and this is why she keeps coming up. Normally a modicum of research and exposure to sourced information remedies this, but Trump supporters are a "temporal anomaly". It would seem that bias has triumphed over the value of reason.
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Why didn't Hillary win when the mass media did everything hey could to ensure her victory? CCN (Chris Cuomo and female co-host said it on air) and others have admitted this.
Hillary has a long, long history in the public eye. Most of her "evils" have been well documented, such as her feminist lunatic comments.
I hated all 4 candidates for Presidents. So I left that section blank on the election form. Oddly, this somehow makes me a Trump supporter.
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Why didn't Hillary win when the mass media did everything hey could to ensure her victory? CCN (Chris Cuomo and female co-host said it on air) and others have admitted this.
Hillary has a long, long history in the public eye. Most of her "evils" have been well documented, such as her feminist lunatic comments.
I hated all 4 candidates for Presidents. So I left that section blank on the election form. Oddly, this somehow makes me a Trump supporter.
I think that is what sabotaged her, The certitude that she would win. Many of my friends never voted because it was inevitable she would win. They weren't all keen on her but would have voted for her over Trump in a heartbeat if they knew he actually had a chance. People were told Trump had a 3% chance of winning. Why bother going to the polls with numbers like that people thought. Many people also voted 3rd candidate and swapped votes with people in other states. This was a very peculiar election.
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As usual, it's liberal voters who don't vote because they think others will do it for them. The same reason Brexit happened in the UK.
Mainstream media even called real things "fake news". Hillary's 1998 speech about domestic violence where she said women are the primary victims of war because the men go off to fight, was declared a lie by the mainstream media. Oddly enough, that entire speech is on a government website.
Any news that isn't pro liberal is deemed fake news.
Hillary lost because a lot of people, me included, because of the lunatic identity politics we've seen over the last several years.
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What does all of this have to do with the fact that we're still stuck with a highly unpopular president? This was my point. No one is making the case for our highly unpopular president, only using the "idea" of Hillary and the 2016 election. You cannot make #45 popular with the, "but Hillary…" excuse. Is it currently working for him or is he stuck with a 35-39% approval rating in the final days of his first 100 days? That hasn't happened to any president in recent history and it doesn't matter how many times you yell "but Hillary..." it will not save him. It's a shame that we are stuck with someone who the majority of this country did not want, whether they voted or not. That's all I'm pointing out. So you can attempt to derail this topic all you want but it doesn't change the sad reality. I only hope the office of the presidency isn't degraded any further. If it keeps going this way, we are heading towards something dangerously unprecedented. We cannot have a president this unpopular making serious decisions for people who do not want him. He won my state and there has been nonstop resistance to much of what he says and does by nearly everyone here, including those who voted for him. Longtime Congressmen have been getting booed by the very people who voted them in. Do you know how many constituent meetings I've been to from 2007 to now in this state? I've never seen Republicans booing Republicans the way I've been seeing lately.
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It's a pathetic last ditch defense- they can't defend the actions of Trump at this point so they try to deflect the issue by saying how bad Obama and Clinton were/would have been. ::)
This of course doesn't change the fact that you have a President who is clueless, has the temperament of a child, and who is only interested in enriching himself and his family> in fact he's so arrogant he isn't doing anything to hide it anymore. It has always been about making himself great at the expense of everything else, including America. :crazy2:
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It's a pathetic last ditch defense- they can't defend the actions of Trump at this point so they try to deflect the issue by saying how bad Obama and Clinton were/would have been. ::)
This of course doesn't change the fact that you have a President who is clueless, has the temperament of a child, and who is only interested in enriching himself and his family> in fact he's so arrogant he isn't doing anything to hide it anymore. It has always been about making himself great at the expense of everything else, including America. :crazy2:
Exactly! They're acting as if they can wish Hillary/Obama into the White House or as if Hillary/Obama are our shadow presidents. It's so irrational and borderline insane. How can you argue that he's legitimately our president on one hand and then act as if we have a shadow presidency on the other hand? I'm honestly starting to believe they're living in an alternative universe while we're suffering in the real one with this highly unpopular incompetent president who still has strange hair :crazy2:
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