I Was Willing to Give Trump a Chance Until Now…
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Maybe you should go back and check that PDF again. Look at the name of the author and do a bit of research. Thomas E Perez
He was one of Obama's boys, not GWB's.
He chose to only do a civil enforcement, not a criminal prosecution. He made a career out of defending people like the ones he's supposed to prosecute as AAG in this case.
You keep stating that but it's not true.
The civil charges were brought on January 9th under the GWB administration and he was found guilty of those civil charges under the Obama administration, making both of your points false.
1. Civil Charges brought on January 9th, this is 11 days before the Obama Administration.
2. He was found guilty:Given the facts presented, the injunction sought by the Department prohibited Minister
King Samir Shabazz from displaying a weapon within 100 feet of any open polling location on
any election day in the City of Philadelphia, or from otherwise violating 42 U.S.C. 1973i(b), (see
Order of May 18, 2009, at 4). The Department considers this injunction tailored appropriately to
the scope of the violation and the requirements of the First Amendment, and will fully enforce
the injunction’s terms.3. Thomas E Perez was the one to write the summary because by the time the case was complete it was under the Obama Administration.
So to sum it up, no, the charges were not dropped, he was found guilty of the civil charges, and the lack of criminal charges were because the GWB administration didn't charge him criminally. It's that simple.
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You need to go back to that PDF, specifically page 5.
You are right that on 7 Jan 2009, GWB did a civil filing.
HOWEVER, in the paragraph before that, it says that in July 2009 the AAG declined to file criminal charges.
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I was holding out hope and I really didn't want to be like so many of the disgusting Republicans who believed the racist theory that President Obama wasn't born here and/or called him a Muslim, but I will no longer refer to Donald Trump as president. He has not changed or made an effort to show he is the president for all of us. President Obama didn't use this offensive and disgusting type of rhetoric nor did he ever believe crazy conspiracy theories such as "4 or 5 million people committing voter fraud." How do you win an election and continue to focus on the fact that you did indeed lose the popular vote by a wider margin than any other elected president in recent history? The people in his administration are highly incompetent and do not deserve the titles that they were given in his administration.
Beyond that, he never apologized to John Lewis nor did he prove John Lewis wrong. We have absolutely no idea what ties to Russia Trump has because unlike every other president in recent history, we have no public access to his tax returns. He has not fully divested himself from his companies and is currently being sued because of it. If he doesn't have ties to Russia or hasn't done anything illegal, why not release the tax returns? After the White House petition gained enough signatures, the response from the White House was that he will NEVER release his tax returns. #NotMyPresident
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You need to go back to that PDF, specifically page 5.
You are right that on 7 Jan 2009, GWB did a civil filing.
HOWEVER, in the paragraph before that, it says that in July 2009 the AAG declined to file criminal charges.
But curiously you weren't upset that the GWB administration and local officials also declined to file criminal charges. So technically everyone failed to seek criminal charges but only one participant gets the blame. Even now, it's sort of an "ah-ha!" moment that the Obama Administration also declined criminal charges. Where's the "ah-ha" about the GWB administration?
I feel like thorough and equitable analysis isn't at the forefront of your consideration.
In any event, it's a pretty poor pattern for politics overall. Everyone makes outlandish promises they can't hope to actually succeed. From Sander's Universal Healthcare (which might succeed…in 2104) to Trump's border wall paid for by the Mexican Government, everyone wants whatever the demagogue is peddling.
Then they fail to deliver the impossible. Confidence in the government continues to erode.
Rinse and repeat. Except each time there's a repeat the rhetoric amplifies. Eventually, there's a breaking point where words aren't quite good enough and I think we're getting closer to that more quickly than many expected.
As the above example probably illustrates, people don't tend to spend time looking for facts, understanding economics/science/law/history, or contemplating consequences beyond the end of their own nose. They operate on knee-jerk reactions, snap judgment, and emotional appeals. Poor education, laziness, and general disaffection aren't really the politician's fault. If the public chose more intelligently when it came time to vet a candidate the field would look completely different than the choices we had.
As the celebration of ignorance continues I'm reminded of a quote by the vacuous Food Babe, "these issues are too important to leave up to the experts."
Pray tell, if not the experts, then who the fuck should we ask?
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Beyond that, he never apologized to John Lewis nor did he prove John Lewis wrong.
Did Rep John Lewis apologize for lieing to the American people about never missing a Presidential inauguration before Trump? Maybe he's too senile to remember that he skipped GWB's 2001 inauguration because he too was an "illegitimate President" according to Lewis.
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I Was Willing to Give Trump a Chance Until Now…
More fool you!
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Beyond that, he never apologized to John Lewis nor did he prove John Lewis wrong.
Did Rep John Lewis apologize for lieing to the American people about never missing a Presidential inauguration before Trump? Maybe he's too senile to remember that he skipped GWB's 2001 inauguration because he too was an "illegitimate President" according to Lewis.
John Lewis is not the president of the United States so I don't see your point. John Lewis is a Civil Rights hero who marched with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and nearly died trying to change this country and keep racist white people from murdering black people and other white people who tried to help black people in the South vote. He has a right to his opinion and the only way to disprove what he has said is for Donald Trump to release his taxes and divest himself from his businesses. As of now, Donald Trump has not released any proof that he has no ties to Russia or that he has fully divested himself from his businesses; therefore, it is fair to call him corrupt and not the leader of this country. Simple as that.
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CONGRESSMAN John Lewis is not beyond reproach. He blatantly lied to the American people. He has also declared the last 2 republican President as "illegitimate". He's a partisan hack.
Trump is a douche bag, nobody is denying that.
The John Lewis you keep talking about hasn't existed for at least 30 years.
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CONGRESSMAN John Lewis is not beyond reproach. He blatantly lied to the American people. He has also declared the last 2 republican President as "illegitimate". He's a partisan hack.
Trump is a douche bag, nobody is denying that.
The John Lewis you keep talking about hasn't existed for at least 30 years.
Once again, this is irrelevant since John Lewis is not the President of the United States. He is not our commander-in-chief, nor has he campaigned to be. He is a Civil Rights hero who nearly died for trying to bring Dr. King's dream to fruition. As you know, Dr. King was indeed murdered by a racist white man in connection with the American government. You can say all you want that the actions of this country's past have no effect on our lives today, but they actually do. Now we have as you put it, "a douche bag" in the White House who is nearing the point of out of control. The things he are doing are beyond partisanship at this point and as a result, millions are now on the side of he is not our president and he does not represent us. Those of us who wanted to give him a chance have been pushed away by his actions and will be active in urging our elected leaders to impeach him when the time comes. There will be no honeymoon period for his first 100 days and there will be no peace with him in office.
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everyone wants whatever the demagogue is peddling.
Then they fail to deliver the impossible.
If only you knew about Mexican politicians…you'd be surprised as to how long that tactic has been used and it keeps succeeding everytime.
That's why I don't vote...or if I really cared, I would go to vote, and then make my ballot null (leaving it blank seems worse, ripe for the cheaters)
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Once again, this is irrelevant since John Lewis is not the President of the United States. He is not our commander-in-chief, nor has he campaigned to be. He is a Civil Rights hero who nearly died for trying to bring Dr. King's dream to fruition. As you know, Dr. King was indeed murdered by a racist white man in connection with the American government. You can say all you want that the actions of this country's past have no effect on our lives today, but they actually do. Now we have as you put it, "a douche bag" in the White House who is nearing the point of out of control. The things he are doing are beyond partisanship at this point and as a result, millions are now on the side of he is not our president and he does not represent us. Those of us who wanted to give him a chance have been pushed away by his actions and will be active in urging our elected leaders to impeach him when the time comes. There will be no honeymoon period for his first 100 days and there will be no peace with him in office.
You can't have any discussion without having it be about race, can you?
John Lewis is a CONGRESSMAN and a proven liar, as well as a partisan hack. If you took off your racist glasses, you'd see that.
Trump is a douche bag, so what? Other Presidents have been douche bags.
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Once again, this is irrelevant since John Lewis is not the President of the United States. He is not our commander-in-chief, nor has he campaigned to be. He is a Civil Rights hero who nearly died for trying to bring Dr. King's dream to fruition. As you know, Dr. King was indeed murdered by a racist white man in connection with the American government. You can say all you want that the actions of this country's past have no effect on our lives today, but they actually do. Now we have as you put it, "a douche bag" in the White House who is nearing the point of out of control. The things he are doing are beyond partisanship at this point and as a result, millions are now on the side of he is not our president and he does not represent us. Those of us who wanted to give him a chance have been pushed away by his actions and will be active in urging our elected leaders to impeach him when the time comes. There will be no honeymoon period for his first 100 days and there will be no peace with him in office.
You can't have any discussion without having it be about race, can you?
John Lewis is a CONGRESSMAN and a proven liar, as well as a partisan hack. If you took off your racist glasses, you'd see that.
Trump is a douche bag, so what? Other Presidents have been douche bags.
So pointing out the fact that John Lewis nearly died while trying to gain access to the ballot for black people in the South makes me a racist? Is that your official position on this topic? Are you therefore calling Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. a racist? Please, make your position clear because others have already said the nastiest stuff about Dr. King on here.
Beyond that point, #45 has an obligation to this country to prove John Lewis wrong by releasing his tax returns and fully divesting himself from his companies. Until he does that, how can you call John Lewis a partisan hack? The last time I checked, presidents from different parties released their tax returns and divested themselves from companies they were invested in, and some had to make very difficult and painful decisions like Ronald Reagan had to when he became president. Do you know how successful Ronald Reagan was and the sacrifices he had to make to become president? #45 is a disgrace to the legacy of other presidents who have served this country.
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The fact that you can't talk about John Lewis the politician (his day job for the last 30'ish years), shows you are a racist. The fact that you dragged MIK,Jr into this shows you are a racist, since I haven't said a thing about him.
Trump is not obligated to do any such thing. Besides, that is not what Lewis said.
Lewis said that Trump was illegitimate because of the election. He may have gone on to claim more things, but Lewis first needs to supply proof of his "illegitimate" claims. He also proved he is a lair by claiming he has never missed an inauguration other than Trumps.
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The fact that you can't talk about John Lewis the politician (his day job for the last 30'ish years), shows you are a racist. The fact that you dragged MIK,Jr into this shows you are a racist, since I haven't said a thing about him.
Trump is not obligated to do any such thing. Besides, that is not what Lewis said.
Lewis said that Trump was illegitimate because of the election. He may have gone on to claim more things, but Lewis first needs to supply proof of his "illegitimate" claims. He also proved he is a lair by claiming he has never missed an inauguration other than Trumps.
Nope, the burden of proof is on #45. What are his ties to Russia? Why hasn't he released his tax returns, which other presidents have done? And I will continue bringing up what John Lewis nearly died for because it is a part of his legacy, just like him questioning the legitimacy of both George Bush and #45. You can keep calling him a political hack all you want, what you can't do is change the fact that he nearly died trying to gain access to the ballot for black people in the South who had been disenfranchised FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. Calling me a racist isn't going to change the fact that white people murdered black and white people in the South for trying to help black people vote.
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Lewis said that Trump was illegitimate because of the election. He may have gone on to claim more things, but Lewis first needs to supply proof of his "illegitimate" claims. He also proved he is a lair by claiming he has never missed an inauguration other than Trumps.
Trump was the first one to insinuate that he is an illegitimate President. He claims there are 3-5 million fraudulent votes. He can't be a legitimate President if there is such widespread fraud. Let's face it, it's much more likely that the fraudulent votes went to the person who actually won the election but either way the election is a fraud according to him. His win is the equivalent of a participation trophy.
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Innocent until proven guilty. Or did you forget that?!
Rep John Lewis made the allegations, so he needs to prove them. He also lied about missing Presidential inaugurations.
There is no legal requirement to publish your tax returns.
Rep John Lewis has a duty to tell the truth and do what's best for the nation, not tell race baiting political lies, such as "Hands up, don't shoot". 100 FBI agents and a nearly 20,000 page report tells us that it's a complete lie. Michael Brown never said it. Even my Congresswoman was guilty of spreading that lie, as were many others.
You can acknowledge what he did 50 years ago, while admitting he's a political hack over the last 30 years.
He doesn't do anything about real problems that blacks face, but rather he spends his time spouting BLM lies.
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Innocent until proven guilty. Or did you forget that?!
Rep John Lewis made the allegations, so he needs to prove them. He also lied about missing Presidential inaugurations.
There is no legal requirement to publish your tax returns.
Rep John Lewis has a duty to tell the truth and do what's best for the nation, not tell race baiting political lies, such as "Hands up, don't shoot". 100 FBI agents and a nearly 20,000 page report tells us that it's a complete lie. Michael Brown never said it. Even my Congresswoman was guilty of spreading that lie, as were many others.
You can acknowledge what he did 50 years ago, while admitting he's a political hack over the last 30 years.
He doesn't do anything about real problems that blacks face, but rather he spends his time spouting BLM lies.
So if #45 lifts the Russian sanctions that BOTH parties placed on Russia, that means he has absolutely nothing to hide? He could defy what the majority of Americans want (keeping those sanctions on Russia) and still not prove he has no ties to Russia? Once again, John Lewis has a point to question #45 because we know NOTHING about #45's finances, what he owes, who he owes or what he is profiting from. It doesn't matter that there is no law about it, EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT HAS DONE IT. He has something to hide and it's up to him to prove us all wrong.
As for the other crap you said, you sound crazy. This has nothing to do with Michael Brown or BLM and it was very racist of you to even go there to be honest. I never mentioned them. 100% racist on your part.
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There is no legal requirement to publish your tax returns.
No but he did make a campaign promise to release them after the audit is complete. HE LIED. Several states are looking at making it a requirement to get on the ballot. He will never win the popular vote without being on all 50 state ballots.
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As for the other crap you said, you sound crazy. This has nothing to do with Michael Brown or BLM and it was very racist of you to even go there to be honest. I never mentioned them. 100% racist on your part.
How is it racist to show something Rep John Lewis lied about?
How is it racist to show that Rep John Lewis ignores REAL issues that blacks face, while pandering to bullshit SJW identity politics?
Don't be a hypocrite. If I can't talk about issues that black people face, then neither can you.
No but he did make a campaign promise to release them after the audit is complete. HE LIED. Several states are looking at making it a requirement to get on the ballot. He will never win the popular vote without being on all 50 state ballots.
I never said Trump didn't lie about that.
I was only talking about what Rep John Lewis did.
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As for the other crap you said, you sound crazy. This has nothing to do with Michael Brown or BLM and it was very racist of you to even go there to be honest. I never mentioned them. 100% racist on your part.
How is it racist to show something Rep John Lewis lied about?
How is it racist to show that Rep John Lewis ignores REAL issues that blacks face, while pandering to bullshit SJW identity politics?
Don't be a hypocrite. If I can't talk about issues that black people face, then neither can you.
No but he did make a campaign promise to release them after the audit is complete. HE LIED. Several states are looking at making it a requirement to get on the ballot. He will never win the popular vote without being on all 50 state ballots.
I never said Trump didn't lie about that.
I was only talking about what Rep John Lewis did.
BLM IS IRRELEVANT TO THIS TOPIC. You brought it up out of nowhere and it has absolutely nothing to do with this. What does that movement have to do with #45 not proving he has ties to Russia? You can call John Lewis a liar all you want and try to deflect what this topic is about, but the point of this topic was to show that #45 has not given any proof that he has no ties to Russia and the burden of proof is on him because it is SIMPLE, VERY SIMPLE for him to show he has no ties to Russia and that they cannot blackmail him or take advantage of him through his businesses. John Lewis cited in his very first interview about this situation that he was deeming #45 illegitimate because of #45's possible ties to Russia. #45 can easily prove him wrong on THIS situation, not all that BLM mess you keep trying to bring up. If your goal is to say John Lewis has no credibility, then that only strengthens the problem with #45 because his credibility is vital to our country given his current position. John Lewis is not our president. He is not the leader of the Free World. #45 is legitimate but John Lewis has every right to question #45's legitimacy due to NO ONE knowing if #45 has damaging ties to Russia. The current Michael Flynn situation just makes it all worse. See what I did there? Michael Flynn is actually a relevant part of this topic because he has been proven to have engaged in policy talks with Russia as a civilian before #45 was sworn in and then he was given a position in #45's administration. Flynn is relevant to this discussion, BLM is not. Simple as that.
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