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    • royalcrown89R Offline
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      @jojojojo3:

      @royalcrown89:

      @bostonpolar:

      @amicusets:

      [Trump] was CLEARLY referencing his current tenure in Congress, where Lewis has been nothing but a partisan hack, and who represents one of the worst districts in all of Georgia in terms of quality of living.

      Here is a BIG CLUE for you, amicusets, and the other Trump-zombies here.

      My sister and her wife have lived in Rep. John Lewis' district for over 35 years.  They have repeatedly voted for him as their representative to Congress.  He is a hero to them as he is to a great many people who live in Atlanta.

      I have been to and stayed in their home.  Where they live and the surrounding area are very nice and peaceful and the neighbors who live there are extremely friendly to my sister and her wife as they are to them.  Every year my sister and her wife celebrate Halloween by putting a huge display, much of it made by themselves, in their yard open to all to come and see.  (Last year I bought them a pair of zombie flamingoes for their year.)  They bag treats for the up to 400 children who come to visit them.  Their neighbors take part and help them on Halloween night.

      Lewis's district is NOTHING like what Ignorant, Egotistical Trump ranted it was.

      The day of and the day after Trump's obnoxious tweet, people who lived in that district were posting picture of where they lived and what was around them in the area.  Again, it is NOTHING like what the Clueless-Elect LIED it was.

      On the same days, the major newspaper of the City of Atlanta posted even more photos and statements by the people who live in Rep. Lewis' district – proving once again that Trump is a Clueless Idiot who rarely, if ever, knows that he believes he does.

      Being as Willful-Ignorant and Stupid as Donald Trump is, amicusets, is not something a rational and reasonable person would aspire to.

      ***** WWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHH! *****
      . . .

      Isn't it disgusting how they think every single district that is majority black is plagued with crime and high unemployment? I live in South Carolina and where I grew up, it was nothing like that. We had a neighborhood watch program and a very calm neighborhood where everyone looked out for each other. Would you believe my first experience with homophobia came from white people while I was at Clemson? My second and third occurred once again by white homophobes at the University of South Carolina. But that's beyond the point of this thread, John Lewis's district was racially stereotyped by Trump and he also criticized the legacy of a living Civil Rights hero. An apology is definitely needed or this whole situation is about to get so much worse. How low can that approval rating go??  ;D ;D

      oh no a stereotype that may be accurate. and look, your anecdote is suddenly data? no one's lived experience matters a lick here.  oh, and good on you for being one of the privileged ones where all you have to worry about is white homophobes calling you names as you are suddenly making this about yourself and an issue of race..

      let's totally forget "the new black" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lggB9c6KNgY

      but hey, anything so you can circle jerk for trump hate when his opponent's husband put in Don't ask don't tell, and ran in the 2008 primary to not put in gay marriage.

      The election is over, Donald Trump won and will be our 45th President; therefore, bringing up Hillary Clinton at this point is simply ridiculous and hurts your argument severely. Hillary who? Also, yes I am black AND gay so no I'm not going to ignore my full identity to make people feel comfortable. Your "circle jerk for Trump hate" comment is also ignorant since I've said many times in this thread and on this site that I truly believe Trump was elected legitimately and that I was willing to give him a chance until this point. Unlike the obstructionist Republicans (2009-2017), I believe when the president does well, we all do well. However, when the president attacks a Civil Rights hero who nearly died trying to bring Dr. King's vision to fruition, that president will continue to see his support decline among the people, not just congressional members.

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      • J Offline
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        @royalcrown89:

        @jojojojo3:

        @royalcrown89:

        @bostonpolar:

        @amicusets:

        [Trump] was CLEARLY referencing his current tenure in Congress, where Lewis has been nothing but a partisan hack, and who represents one of the worst districts in all of Georgia in terms of quality of living.

        Here is a BIG CLUE for you, amicusets, and the other Trump-zombies here.

        My sister and her wife have lived in Rep. John Lewis' district for over 35 years.  They have repeatedly voted for him as their representative to Congress.  He is a hero to them as he is to a great many people who live in Atlanta.

        I have been to and stayed in their home.  Where they live and the surrounding area are very nice and peaceful and the neighbors who live there are extremely friendly to my sister and her wife as they are to them.  Every year my sister and her wife celebrate Halloween by putting a huge display, much of it made by themselves, in their yard open to all to come and see.  (Last year I bought them a pair of zombie flamingoes for their year.)  They bag treats for the up to 400 children who come to visit them.  Their neighbors take part and help them on Halloween night.

        Lewis's district is NOTHING like what Ignorant, Egotistical Trump ranted it was.

        The day of and the day after Trump's obnoxious tweet, people who lived in that district were posting picture of where they lived and what was around them in the area.  Again, it is NOTHING like what the Clueless-Elect LIED it was.

        On the same days, the major newspaper of the City of Atlanta posted even more photos and statements by the people who live in Rep. Lewis' district – proving once again that Trump is a Clueless Idiot who rarely, if ever, knows that he believes he does.

        Being as Willful-Ignorant and Stupid as Donald Trump is, amicusets, is not something a rational and reasonable person would aspire to.

        ***** WWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHH! *****
        . . .

        Isn't it disgusting how they think every single district that is majority black is plagued with crime and high unemployment? I live in South Carolina and where I grew up, it was nothing like that. We had a neighborhood watch program and a very calm neighborhood where everyone looked out for each other. Would you believe my first experience with homophobia came from white people while I was at Clemson? My second and third occurred once again by white homophobes at the University of South Carolina. But that's beyond the point of this thread, John Lewis's district was racially stereotyped by Trump and he also criticized the legacy of a living Civil Rights hero. An apology is definitely needed or this whole situation is about to get so much worse. How low can that approval rating go??  ;D ;D

        oh no a stereotype that may be accurate. and look, your anecdote is suddenly data? no one's lived experience matters a lick here.  oh, and good on you for being one of the privileged ones where all you have to worry about is white homophobes calling you names as you are suddenly making this about yourself and an issue of race..

        let's totally forget "the new black" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lggB9c6KNgY

        but hey, anything so you can circle jerk for trump hate when his opponent's husband put in Don't ask don't tell, and ran in the 2008 primary to not put in gay marriage.

        The election is over, Donald Trump won and will be our 45th President; therefore, bringing up Hillary Clinton at this point is simply ridiculous and hurts your argument severely. Hillary who? Also, yes I am black AND gay so no I'm not going to ignore my full identity to make people feel comfortable. Your "circle jerk for Trump hate" comment is also ignorant since I've said many times in this thread and on his site that I truly believe Trump was elected legitimately and that I was willing to give him a chance until this point. Unlike the obstructionist Republicans (2009-2017), I believe when the president does well, we all do well. However, when the president attacks Civil Rights heroes who nearly died trying to bring Dr. King's vision to fruition, that president will continue to see his support decline among the people, not just congressional members.

        my full identity.
        King's dream

        and it seems that that King's message didn't even reach you. just on that contradiction alone.

        for a man that is so fixated on identity you seem to praise the very person that was for smashing identity politics.

        way to go! I'd say go fuck yourself but you've done such a brilliant job of that.

        thanks for the last and greatest betrayal of the last and greatest of human dreams.

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        • royalcrown89R Offline
          royalcrown89
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          @jojojojo3:

          @royalcrown89:

          @jojojojo3:

          @royalcrown89:

          @bostonpolar:

          @amicusets:

          [Trump] was CLEARLY referencing his current tenure in Congress, where Lewis has been nothing but a partisan hack, and who represents one of the worst districts in all of Georgia in terms of quality of living.

          Here is a BIG CLUE for you, amicusets, and the other Trump-zombies here.

          My sister and her wife have lived in Rep. John Lewis' district for over 35 years.  They have repeatedly voted for him as their representative to Congress.  He is a hero to them as he is to a great many people who live in Atlanta.

          I have been to and stayed in their home.  Where they live and the surrounding area are very nice and peaceful and the neighbors who live there are extremely friendly to my sister and her wife as they are to them.  Every year my sister and her wife celebrate Halloween by putting a huge display, much of it made by themselves, in their yard open to all to come and see.  (Last year I bought them a pair of zombie flamingoes for their year.)  They bag treats for the up to 400 children who come to visit them.  Their neighbors take part and help them on Halloween night.

          Lewis's district is NOTHING like what Ignorant, Egotistical Trump ranted it was.

          The day of and the day after Trump's obnoxious tweet, people who lived in that district were posting picture of where they lived and what was around them in the area.  Again, it is NOTHING like what the Clueless-Elect LIED it was.

          On the same days, the major newspaper of the City of Atlanta posted even more photos and statements by the people who live in Rep. Lewis' district – proving once again that Trump is a Clueless Idiot who rarely, if ever, knows that he believes he does.

          Being as Willful-Ignorant and Stupid as Donald Trump is, amicusets, is not something a rational and reasonable person would aspire to.

          ***** WWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHH! *****
          . . .

          Isn't it disgusting how they think every single district that is majority black is plagued with crime and high unemployment? I live in South Carolina and where I grew up, it was nothing like that. We had a neighborhood watch program and a very calm neighborhood where everyone looked out for each other. Would you believe my first experience with homophobia came from white people while I was at Clemson? My second and third occurred once again by white homophobes at the University of South Carolina. But that's beyond the point of this thread, John Lewis's district was racially stereotyped by Trump and he also criticized the legacy of a living Civil Rights hero. An apology is definitely needed or this whole situation is about to get so much worse. How low can that approval rating go??  ;D ;D

          oh no a stereotype that may be accurate. and look, your anecdote is suddenly data? no one's lived experience matters a lick here.  oh, and good on you for being one of the privileged ones where all you have to worry about is white homophobes calling you names as you are suddenly making this about yourself and an issue of race..

          let's totally forget "the new black" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lggB9c6KNgY

          but hey, anything so you can circle jerk for trump hate when his opponent's husband put in Don't ask don't tell, and ran in the 2008 primary to not put in gay marriage.

          The election is over, Donald Trump won and will be our 45th President; therefore, bringing up Hillary Clinton at this point is simply ridiculous and hurts your argument severely. Hillary who? Also, yes I am black AND gay so no I'm not going to ignore my full identity to make people feel comfortable. Your "circle jerk for Trump hate" comment is also ignorant since I've said many times in this thread and on his site that I truly believe Trump was elected legitimately and that I was willing to give him a chance until this point. Unlike the obstructionist Republicans (2009-2017), I believe when the president does well, we all do well. However, when the president attacks Civil Rights heroes who nearly died trying to bring Dr. King's vision to fruition, that president will continue to see his support decline among the people, not just congressional members.

          my full identity.
          King's dream

          and it seems that that King's message didn't even reach you. just on that contradiction alone.

          for a man that is so fixated on identity you seem to praise the very person that was for smashing identity politics.

          way to go! I'd say go fuck yourself but you've done such a brilliant job of that.

          thanks for the last and greatest betrayal of the last and greatest of human dreams.

          Dr. King was a proud black man, belonged to a historically black fraternity (Alpha Phi Alpha) and was murdered by a white man because he was a black man trying to change this country. Are you seriously trying to erase Dr. King's blackness? His dream wasn't about erasing yourself, it was about being proud of who you are and fighting for your right to be who you are. His dream was about accepting one another as we are, not destroying what makes us the people we are. I am supposed to look past the fact that you are white, black, etc. and see that you are a great person, not erase the fact that you are white, black, etc. to make myself comfortable with you existing. You are the one twisting the legacy of Dr. King, not me.

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          • raphjdR Offline
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            Does anyone still wonder why race can never be discussed?

            :police:  "you piece of shit"  :police:  Is a clear violation of the rules.

            As usual, if I follow the forum rules I made years ago and punish the person, then I'm a racist.  As the forum admin, I can't win for losing.

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            • royalcrown89R Offline
              royalcrown89
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              @raphjd:

              Does anyone still wonder why race can never be discussed?

              :police:  "you piece of shit"   :police:   Is a clear violation of the rules.

              As usual, if I follow the forum rules I made years ago and punish the person, then I'm a racist.   As the forum admin, I can't win for losing.

              I clearly got too emotional in that post and I do apologize, but you will not be accused of being racist by me for punishing me. I did indeed violate the rules; therefore, I should be punished. I am just sick and tired of people trying to minimize the effects of slavery and Jim Crow on our lives today. It is wrong and it needs to be called out. You cannot erase the effects of the torture, enslavement and second-class citizenship of a people for centuries and then pretend like none of it happened and the descendants of those people have no right to feel any kind of way about this country's bloody history OR they have no right to make arguments about the effects of this country's bloody history. No one is calling for white guilt or any of the crap you keep ranting against. It's about acknowledgement and understanding. Why is that so hard to agree with?

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              • royalcrown89R Offline
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                And for those of you who keep trying to use Dr. King to shame black people, please remember (or lookup) that Republicans (many who are still in office today) were the main people arguing against making MLK Day a national holiday and urged Ronald Reagan not to observe it. Please watch the video in this post because there's no denying that it truly did happen: http://gogomrbrown.tumblr.com/post/155986485750/all-of-the-mlk-was-republican-people-need-to

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                • raphjdR Offline
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                  Rep John Lewis is a liar.

                  He didn't go to GWB's 2001 inauguration because he didn't believe GWB was the legitimate President.

                  As I previously said, no one is so saintly that they are beyond reproach.

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                  • royalcrown89R Offline
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                    John Lewis acknowledges now that he did indeed skip GWB's inauguration. However, he now calls GWB a friend because GWB reached out to him and many other Democrats and met with them on many occasions. That has absolutely nothing to do with this. Once again, Donald Trump is our incoming President and he needs to show leadership and reach out in this instance. Only Donald Trump can fix this problem, no one else. There is a reason why he is so unpopular and why so many people (of all races) are out protesting in many cities and towns across this country. This is completely different than what took place in 2000 and 2001. For the umpteenth time, Donald Trump was fairly elected and is our legitimately elected president. That is not in dispute. What has upset me and many, many others is his disrespect of a Civil Rights hero with the comment that said Civil Rights hero is, "all talk and no action." He did not clarify what he meant by that statement so many have taken it as a shot at Lewis's Civil Rights record. That is not where we are going as a country and as a result, many are rightfully boycotting the upcoming inauguration.

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                    • K Offline
                      koliko6
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                      @royalcrown89:

                      If Trump does not apologize to John Lewis then he will not be my president

                      Hate to break it to you but in two 2 days he WILL be our president and nothing you can do will change that, short of denying reality. If you would like to make that reality, you can renounce your citizenship and become a Mexican citizen in which case Donald Trump will not be your president  :funny2:

                      Also Martin Luther King was not a saint by any means. He was Marxist

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                      • raphjdR Offline
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                        So, the 2 most recent republicans John Lewis doesn't/didn't think is a legitimate President.    It sounds like he's a political hack.

                        So many people are protesting because of identity politics.  If you watch the YouTube videos were the protesters are interviewed, they are thick as shit.  They spout whatever they read on Faebook or whatever TYT tells them.

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                        • J Offline
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                          @royalcrown89:

                          And for those of you who keep trying to use Dr. King to shame black people, please remember (or lookup) that Republicans (many who are still in office today) were the main people arguing against making MLK Day a national holiday and urged Ronald Reagan not to observe it. Please watch the video in this post because there's no denying that it truly did happen: http://gogomrbrown.tumblr.com/post/155986485750/all-of-the-mlk-was-republican-people-need-to

                          yay more irrelevant shit. keep defending the DemoKKKrats. they're o KKK. or 'yes we Klan".

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                          • bostonpolarB Offline
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                            @jojojojo3:

                            oh no a stereotype that may be accurate. and look, your anecdote is suddenly data? no one's lived experience matters a lick here.

                            Oh course they matter, not only as individuals, but especially when an experience is backed-up by scientifically-done statistical studies.

                            You are yet another example of someone who choses to be purposely Clueless, jojo.

                            oh, and good on you for being one of the privileged ones where all you have to worry about is white homophobes calling you names as you are suddenly making this about yourself and an issue of race..

                            REALLY?  Is that what you believe he wrote???  You do NOT believe that Southern Republicans – who mostly are white -- tend to be far-right-wingers and racists?


                            http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/

                            Poll: 46 Percent of Mississippi GOP Want to Ban Interracial Marriage
                            Also, those folks are pretty keen on Sarah Palin
                            by Erik Hayden
                            Apr. 7, 2011
                            –------------------

                            I have seen nothing to indicate there has been any change in such disgusting Republican Southern racism in the last 6 years.

                            In fact, I think the many events of 2016 have been further evidence of not only the continuation of the ultraconservative nature of many Southern whites, but a hardening of such attitudes as well.

                            Also note, I said "many", not "all".  There are a number of whites, especially those in the larger cities in the South – such as Atlanta which has a law protecting the civil rights of gay people -- who are not hateful bigots.

                            let's totally forget "the new black" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lggB9c6KNgY

                            HA HA HAHA HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
                            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHA HAHA HA HA hee!

                            You put up a blind link to a YouTube video – without including the title or the source -- and you expect others to look at it???  AND YouTube?!  A great deal of YouTube is nothing but BULLSHIT; it is filled with political fake news -- and extraterrestrial aliens having built the pyramids. OH! FYI Trump's nominated Housing secretary, the bigoted Ben Cason who stated recently before Congress gays do NOT deserve "Special Rights" (i.e. equal civil rights), believes the Egyptian pyramids where for grain storage:

                            –------------------
                            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/10/egypt-to-ben-carson-no-the-pyramids-were-not-for-storing-grain

                            Egypt to Ben Carson: No, the Pyramids Were Not for Storing Grain
                            Tuesday, 10 November 2015
                            –------------------

                            Next time, jojo, do find a professional-journalistic, reputable, established source to post a link if you want a reasonable and rational person to look it at!

                            but hey, anything so you can circle jerk for trump hate when his opponent's husband put in Don't ask don't tell, and ran in the 2008 primary to not put in gay marriage.

                            I see you are extremely Ignorant of history as well.

                            –------------------
                            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/dont-ask-dont-tell-timeline/

                            A History of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
                            After 17 years, the controversial policy has been repealed. Here's how it happened.
                            The Washington Post - Nov. 30, 2010.
                            –------------------

                            Democrat President Bill Clinton wanted to repeal the ban of gay people serving in the military.   It was Congress who STOP that from happening.  Congress was the one who rejected a repeal of the ban – in fact, they reinforced Reagan's anti-gay military ban!  Months later, President Clinton -- as the U.S. Commander-in-Chief -- went over their heads and did a bipartisan compromise which became "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

                            DADT was in fact a step forward for gays being able to serve in the US military – and in 17 years (not that long in a historical sense) it lead to being repealed in 2010,  That also helped lead to the legalization of Marriage Equality in the USA in 2015.

                            OH, and the 2012 Democratic Platform specifically endorsed "Marriage Equality" and specifically used that term.

                            You an excellent example, jojo, as to why I generally try to avoid far-right-wing bigoted K00KS in my Life and usually avoid arguing with them – because reason and knowledge are USELESS when in comes to a discussion with those who have purposely-chosen to be Ignorant, Stupid, and Bigoted.

                            yawn

                            . . .

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                              Under DADT, more people were kicked out of the military for being gay than before it.

                              "Dixie-crats" or southern Democrats were, if not still, the biggest bigots.

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                                @raphjd:

                                Under DADT, more people were kicked out of the military for being gay than before it.

                                "Dixie-crats" or southern Democrats were, if not still, the biggest bigots.

                                Once again, you are delving into something you have no experience in @raphjd. Do you know who Strom Thurmond is? He was a well-known U.S. Senator from my state who favored racial segregation until the day he died. Strom Thurmond was a Democrat and Dixiecrat BEFORE THE PARTY REALIGNMENTS. Please tell me you're intelligent enough to know there were party realignments in this country. Senator Thurmond did not die a Democrat. What party was he a part of in the last 20+ years of his career and life? That's right, he was a Republican. HE DID NOT CHANGE ANY OF HIS VIEWS and he BECAME A REPUBLICAN because that party now catered to those views, not the Democratic party. Please do not try to rewrite well-known history to fit your beliefs. He, along with many other former Democrats, went to the Republican party because the Democratic party became more open to and representative of people of color. The South flipped to the Republican party for a reason, and it wasn't because the party became liberal. I live here and I know the legacy of Strom Thurmond, I live in the legacy of Strom Thurmond and I can promise you it's not a good one. He is one of the people who inspired Dylann Roof to murder 9 innocent black church members in Charleston.

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                                  For the person who called Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. a Marxist, thank you for confirming my beliefs that many white people like using Dr. King to condemn black people but have no respect for the man at all.

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                                    I'm fully aware of Strom Thurmond and who/what he was.

                                    Sen Robert Byrd never left the Democrats.  Even as late as 2001, he twice used the term "white niggers" in an interview.

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                                      @raphjd:

                                      I'm fully aware of Strom Thurmond and who/what he was.

                                      Sen Robert Byrd never left the Democrats.  Even as late as 2001, he twice used the term "white niggers" in an interview.

                                      False equivalence for a couple of reasons. (1) West Virginia stayed Democrat for much longer than other former majority Democrat states that flipped Republican because of its lack of racial diversity (2) Robert Byrd stayed in the Democratic party for that very reason. He would've lost his seat had he gone Republican. I can guarantee if he were alive today he would've joined the Republicans because now West Virginia is a Republican state. Strom Thurmond left the Democrats because the Democrats no longer believed in racial segregation and now represented the interests of more people than just white Americans. You cannot compare Senator Byrd and Senator Thurmond without the context behind what they did when they did it. And once again, please do some research on the party realignments in this country and why they happened.

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                                        I don't know how anyone can consider Trump to be a legitimate President.  After the election Trump questioned the legitimacy of the election he won when he claimed that millions of fraudulent votes were cast.

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                                        • royalcrown89R Offline
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                                          @aadam101:

                                          I don't know how anyone can consider Trump to be a legitimate President.  After the election Trump questioned the legitimacy of the election he won when he claimed that millions of fraudulent votes were cast.

                                          He's flipped on many, many things but I do believe he's a legitimate President. Even though he himself questioned the legitimacy of Barack Obama based on a racist theory that he kept going on for more than five years, I still believe he's legitimate. Our system still works and unless Republicans pass landmark legislation directly banning millions of people from being able to vote, I think things will be changing drastically in the next midterm. Trump only has this year to change the overwhelming majority of this country's citizens' minds about him. If things keep going this way we're going to see a wave to the left in next year's elections.

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                                            No matter what, there will always be illegal ballots cast.  It's just something that happens.  Mentioning it doesn't mean he's saying he isn't actually President.

                                            If the Dems stop pandering to the SJWs, then they have a good chance of winning the midterms and beating Trump in 4 years.  Identity politics drove a lot of traditional liberals away from the Democrats.

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