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    • raphjdR Offline
      raphjd Forum Administrator
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      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/17/you-can-be-fined-for-not-calling-people-ze-or-hir-if-thats-the-pronoun-they-demand-that-you-use/?utm_term=.7d65728780c7

      https://www1.nyc.gov/site/cchr/law/legal-guidances-gender-identity-expression.page

      New York City fines (up to $250,000 per violation) for refusal to use any personal pronoun a person wants to use.  Of course, it covers other things as well, but the most recent change was about bathrooms and personal pronouns and names. .

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        @raphjd:

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/17/you-can-be-fined-for-not-calling-people-ze-or-hir-if-thats-the-pronoun-they-demand-that-you-use/?utm_term=.7d65728780c7

        https://www1.nyc.gov/site/cchr/law/legal-guidances-gender-identity-expression.page

        New York City fines (up to $250,000 per violation) for refusal to use any personal pronoun a person wants to use.   Of course, it covers other things as well, but the most recent change was about bathrooms and personal pronouns and names. .

        So where is the person who has been fined for using the incorrect pronoun?

        Also, I can't believe you won't accept that you're over exaggerating the fuck out of the C-16 Bill but let's agree to disagree because it's clear that you'll never change your mind on this.

        I wonder if you wake up in cold shivers at night thinking of the purple haired 'Zes' and 'Zers' kicking down your door and cutting of the tongues of however dares to not say the right pro noun. That's probably a bit extreme but hey, the internet tells me that western society is being burnt down by syrian refugees, crazy feminists, SJWs, people from tumblr, black lives matter etc so what do I fucking know?

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          inkball
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          @bob5678:

          @Domosuke:

          I can't say I'm really shocked at the clusterfuck of this thread.

          You would think that a message board centered around gay pornography would be open minded to people that are different from them, but no. I already envisioned this whole thread panned out which is why I've been avoiding it for a few days now. I can hold back no longer.

          You would think a bunch of homosexual (or same gender attracted men) would understand issues like this. But I totally see it now.

          Anything to take the heat off their skillet or the weight off their scale to move it to somewhere else. Which just makes the situation worse.

          This is turn creates a butterfly effect for people to either become "SJW", or for people to become the oppressors. It makes the situation worse and everything is a pity party now. Nobody is appreciate for what they have, nobody wishes to or wants to empathize anymore,

          I'm not nessarily a "SJW", but I'm not going to bite my tongue on things which are clearly not right.

          Call me an "SJW" for saying that gay porn is racist, especially to black people. Call me an "SJW" for saying that men should be allowed to wear makeup and dresses. Call me an "SJW" for saying that Muslim women have the right to wear a burka or not.  I don't give a fuck.

          I don't think you should be surprised. Most of the people on this site are old white guys who have lived their entire lives pretending to be straight (aka they've lived under hetero white cis male privilege). While others (ie SJWs) were advancing rights for gay people, trans people, etc they were still acting like teenagers and repressing their sexuality. These people have never experienced discrimination due to their sexual orientation let alone gender or race and probably aren't even out. They hang out on these torrent websites to download porn because they are too afraid to even find someone to have sex with in real life.

          This is the most insightful post in the thread so far. Even though misogyny is a major factor in homophobia and anti-gay hatred, many gay men do not make the connection or examine the role of sexism in their own lives.

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          • raphjdR Offline
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            @alibix:

            @raphjd:

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/17/you-can-be-fined-for-not-calling-people-ze-or-hir-if-thats-the-pronoun-they-demand-that-you-use/?utm_term=.7d65728780c7

            https://www1.nyc.gov/site/cchr/law/legal-guidances-gender-identity-expression.page

            New York City fines (up to $250,000 per violation) for refusal to use any personal pronoun a person wants to use.   Of course, it covers other things as well, but the most recent change was about bathrooms and personal pronouns and names. .

            So where is the person who has been fined for using the incorrect pronoun?

            Also, I can't believe you won't accept that you're over exaggerating the fuck out of the C-16 Bill but let's agree to disagree because it's clear that you'll never change your mind on this.

            I wonder if you wake up in cold shivers at night thinking of the purple haired 'Zes' and 'Zers' kicking down your door and cutting of the tongues of however dares to not say the right pro noun. That's probably a bit extreme but hey, the internet tells me that western society is being burnt down by syrian refugees, crazy feminists, SJWs, people from tumblr, black lives matter etc so what do I fucking know?

            C-16 hasn't passed yet, so of course, you no one can be punished under it.

            HOWEVER, I did show that NYC made it illegal to use the wrong personal pronouns.    Funny how you are still acting like it's all made up despite me linking the webpage that spells it out.

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            • raphjdR Offline
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              @BloodySunday:

              Neither.

              Two days of reading your highly-intellectual quality work here tells me that either you are a male special rights meminist or a sofa meminist who claims to support true gender equality but actually does nothing about it.

              So tell me, which are you?

              Funny how feminists can never show any campaigns they have done to benefit men.    When I list feminist campaigns, they have nothing but name calling.

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                raphjd Forum Administrator
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                @inkball:

                @bob5678:

                @Domosuke:

                I can't say I'm really shocked at the clusterfuck of this thread.

                You would think that a message board centered around gay pornography would be open minded to people that are different from them, but no. I already envisioned this whole thread panned out which is why I've been avoiding it for a few days now. I can hold back no longer.

                You would think a bunch of homosexual (or same gender attracted men) would understand issues like this. But I totally see it now.

                Anything to take the heat off their skillet or the weight off their scale to move it to somewhere else. Which just makes the situation worse.

                This is turn creates a butterfly effect for people to either become "SJW", or for people to become the oppressors. It makes the situation worse and everything is a pity party now. Nobody is appreciate for what they have, nobody wishes to or wants to empathize anymore,

                I'm not nessarily a "SJW", but I'm not going to bite my tongue on things which are clearly not right.

                Call me an "SJW" for saying that gay porn is racist, especially to black people. Call me an "SJW" for saying that men should be allowed to wear makeup and dresses. Call me an "SJW" for saying that Muslim women have the right to wear a burka or not.  I don't give a fuck.

                I don't think you should be surprised. Most of the people on this site are old white guys who have lived their entire lives pretending to be straight (aka they've lived under hetero white cis male privilege). While others (ie SJWs) were advancing rights for gay people, trans people, etc they were still acting like teenagers and repressing their sexuality. These people have never experienced discrimination due to their sexual orientation let alone gender or race and probably aren't even out. They hang out on these torrent websites to download porn because they are too afraid to even find someone to have sex with in real life.

                This is the most insightful post in the thread so far. Even though misogyny is a major factor in homophobia and anti-gay hatred, many gay men do not make the connection or examine the role of sexism in their own lives.

                I love the lunatics that scream that anyone who doesn't blindly worship feminism is a woman hater.

                Of course, the clueless believers don't realize that most people don't subscribe to their religion for the reasons I have said in various posts.

                TRUE gender equality is soo evil and woman hating.  GOSH, I'm so grateful that the feminists have finally put me in my place.

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                  alibix
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                  @raphjd:

                  @alibix:

                  @raphjd:

                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/17/you-can-be-fined-for-not-calling-people-ze-or-hir-if-thats-the-pronoun-they-demand-that-you-use/?utm_term=.7d65728780c7

                  https://www1.nyc.gov/site/cchr/law/legal-guidances-gender-identity-expression.page

                  New York City fines (up to $250,000 per violation) for refusal to use any personal pronoun a person wants to use.   Of course, it covers other things as well, but the most recent change was about bathrooms and personal pronouns and names. .

                  So where is the person who has been fined for using the incorrect pronoun?

                  Also, I can't believe you won't accept that you're over exaggerating the fuck out of the C-16 Bill but let's agree to disagree because it's clear that you'll never change your mind on this.

                  I wonder if you wake up in cold shivers at night thinking of the purple haired 'Zes' and 'Zers' kicking down your door and cutting of the tongues of however dares to not say the right pro noun. That's probably a bit extreme but hey, the internet tells me that western society is being burnt down by syrian refugees, crazy feminists, SJWs, people from tumblr, black lives matter etc so what do I fucking know?

                  C-16 hasn't passed yet, so of course, you no one can be punished under it.

                  HOWEVER, I did show that NYC made it illegal to use the wrong personal pronouns.    Funny how you are still acting like it's all made up despite me linking the webpage that spells it out.

                  I'm not saying it's made up ffs stop staying shit I DIDN'T SAY.

                  I asked you to show me where people where fined for this NYC law? Who was fined for not calling someone by the correct pronoun?

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                  • raphjdR Offline
                    raphjd Forum Administrator
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                    I showed you that not using someone's made up personal pronouns is illegal.  Hell, if you read that, you'd know it's $125k for accidentally using the wrong personal pronouns and $250k for purposely using the wrong made up personal pronouns; EACH TIME.

                    Now it's up to you to show that no one has been punished and that no one ever will be punished for it.

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                      wohdin
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                      "SJWs" as right wingers describe them are extremely rare, and are usually misguided 14 year olds who grew up in the trolling age and are therefore really good at pissing off old people. For the most part, the very concept of an SJW is just a straw-man set up by people who are very explicitly anti-socioeconomic-equality in order to make the people who are pro-equality look crazy. In that respect, the term lost any real meaning a very long time ago.

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                      • raphjdR Offline
                        raphjd Forum Administrator
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                        @wohdin:

                        "SJWs" as right wingers describe them are extremely rare, and are usually misguided 14 year olds who grew up in the trolling age and are therefore really good at pissing off old people. For the most part, the very concept of an SJW is just a straw-man set up by people who are very explicitly anti-socioeconomic-equality in order to make the people who are pro-equality look crazy. In that respect, the term lost any real meaning a very long time ago.

                        LOL, you are so dishonest.  I say thing because you won't talk about specific cases mentioned, but you will slag off those who disagree with SJWs.

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                          Bluesurfer
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                          @raphjd:

                          @Eridanos:

                          @raphjd:

                          If SJWs are as rare as you claim, then you have to explain Canada's Bill C-16.

                          That's the bill that criminalizes people who refuse to call people by any made up personal pronoun they want to use, among other things.

                          So if I refuse to call someone cisgender, or pansexual or non-binary, non comforming or whatever label they picked up in tumblr (no matter how little sense it makes to me) for themselves, then I'm commiting a hate crime?

                          Way to go Canada…. (It's all your fault USA, you infected the nice Canadians! D:< )

                          That's it. I'm going to Australia.

                          I don't think it's quite that.

                          The part I was referring to is the bit of C-16 that requires you to call someone by their personally chosen pronouns.    Traditionally, personal pronouns are HE, HIM, HIS, SHE, HER, HERS, THEY, THEY'RE, THEIRS.    Now it can literally be anything a person can imagine.

                          Excluding the muslim issue, Canada is only beaten for the SJW award by Sweden.

                          As a Canadian I would suggest you read bill C-16 before making any judgements on this issue.  This bill was introduced to protect those transgender citizens who identify as male or female and their right to be addressed and treated as such.  This was very important to the LGBT community and it's nice to know we have a government that recognized the rights of these people and protected them in law.  I personally believe Canada has been one of the leaders in LGBT issues and rights  You will note we didn't need to go to our Supreme Court to have these rights recognized and accepted throughout this fantastic Country.  Just ask all the Americans that came her to be legally married long before they could hope to in their own country.  I'd be curious to  know if the LGBT community has as much support in the United Kingdom?  Looking forward to finding out!  And you are wrong to say that we in Canada "Now it can literally be anything a person can imagine"

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                            raphjd Forum Administrator
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                            I think you are being dishonest about C-16.

                            While I agree that it has protections for transsexuals, it also has "protections" for gender trenders and gender terrorists.  I haven't seen anyone who's against the bit about protecting transsexuals.

                            You should search YouTube for the various discussions and debates over this.

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                              Bluesurfer
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                              @raphjd:

                              I think you are being dishonest about C-16.

                              While I agree that it has protections for transsexuals, it also has "protections" for gender trenders and gender terrorists.   I haven't seen anyone who's against the bit about protecting transsexuals.

                              You should search YouTube for the various discussions and debates over this.

                              Like I said before have you read Bill C-16 and second I don't get my news info from YouTube (are you serious) and if you do then all I can say is good luck with that!

                              Pleased thank everyone for the time they take to upload torrents for our benefit and Have a great day!!!!!

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                                Eridanos
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                                @Bluesurfer:

                                Like I said before have you read Bill C-16 and second I don't get my news info from YouTube (are you serious) and if you do then all I can say is good luck with that!

                                He said 'watch debates' about it in YouTube…not getting your news from there.

                                Also, the LGBT community is not the issue, is obvious C-16 was meant primarily for transgender people.  The problem as raphjd pointed out is that it also allows for gender trenders and gender terrorists to latch unto it.

                                If a male transits to female, of course deserves be called a 'she' and all the gender related pronouns; same goes for a female who transits to a male: be called a 'he' and be referred in the related male gender pronouns.

                                Because they actually identify and feel as that gender, to the point they are willing to alter their bodies (with all the toil and battle it implies)

                                What is not valid is that someone demands being called a weird way, just because is not gender-conforming, and people have to comply or be fined.

                                Oh Canada...you held so much promise...

                                But the Americans seem to flee in droves to you when anything they don't like seems to happen.

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                                  Like I said before have you read Bill C-16 and second I don't get my news info from YouTube (are you serious) and if you do then all I can say is good luck with that!

                                  So, you are say that there is no news on YouTube.    You really don't know what you are talking about.  YouTube is more than just prank videos and whatnot.

                                  YouTube has debates on all sorts of topics that normally you only get to see if you are there in person.  There are even debates on C-16.

                                  YouTube also has actual news broadcasts archived.

                                  What part of C-16 are you wanting me to RE-READ?

                                  AGAIN, no one has any problem with the transsexual protections.  The problem is the gender trenders and gender terrorists.

                                  I'm talking about that blonde high school GIRL, that claims to be pan-gender so she needs to use the boys bathroom, even though she only dresses as a girl, acts like a girl and looks like a girl.  She also claims to be a gay heterosexual, in other words, she likes boys.

                                  There are countless examples of these people.

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                                    So, you are say that there is no news on YouTube.    You really don't know what you are talking about.   YouTube is more than just prank videos and whatnot.

                                    Yea I noticed that during the recent election in good ole USA and all the bull being spread via YouTube and Facebook"

                                    YouTube has debates on all sorts of topics that normally you only get to see if you are there in person.  There are even debates on C-16.

                                    YouTube also has actual news broadcasts archived.

                                    You are right there many debates on YouTube and when I need a good laugh I listen to them.  And yes there is archived news broadcasts on YouTube which I don't access, seems senseless to me to re-watch the news I've already watched.

                                    What part of C-16 are you wanting me to RE-READ?

                                    All of it.

                                    I'm talking about that blonde high school GIRL, that claims to be pan-gender so she needs to use the boys bathroom, even though she only dresses as a girl, acts like a girl and looks like a girl.   She also claims to be a gay heterosexual, in other words, she likes boys.

                                    Would it be too much to point to a legitimate news source about this Blond Girl as this story is news to me. Sounds like something one would read on Facebook or YouTube or one of the many fake news sites on the Web!

                                    In closing I do believe you and I are never going to agree on this issue, but I do respect your right to say what you're saying even if I strongly disagree with you.  Have yourself a great evening!

                                    Pleased thank everyone for the time they take to upload torrents for our benefit and Have a great day!!!!!

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                                      http://www.dailywire.com/news/4412/girl-uses-boys-bathroom-bad-things-happen-next-amanda-prestigiacomo

                                      If you don't like that news source, there's enough info so you can find it on SJW news sources.

                                      EDIT:

                                      If you look a bit harder, you'll find that Elliot is raising money for male hormones.    Not quite the "non binary" claimed.    I smell a rat on the original story.

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                                        Bluesurfer
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                                        @raphjd:

                                        http://www.dailywire.com/news/4412/girl-uses-boys-bathroom-bad-things-happen-next-amanda-prestigiacomo

                                        If you don't like that news source, there's enough info so you can find it on SJW news sources.

                                        EDIT:

                                        If you look a bit harder, you'll find that Elliot is raising money for male hormones.    Not quite the "non binary" claimed.    I smell a rat on the original story.

                                        And the link goes to one of your "legitimate"  news sources… explains a lot for me!

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                                          Are you saying the story isn't real because I didn't link to Clinton News Network, TYT or MTV Decoded?  Besides, it was the first site I found because I didn't know the girl's name.  I just remembered it was near Houston.

                                          I noticed you didn't comment on the story at all.  Why is that?

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                                            Bluesurfer
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                                            @raphjd:

                                            Are you saying the story isn't real because I didn't link to Clinton News Network, TYT or MTV Decoded?   Besides, it was the first site I found because I didn't know the girl's name.  I just remembered it was near Houston.

                                            I noticed you didn't comment on the story at all.  Why is that?

                                            First of all I'm Canadian and therefore don't even know about the Clinton News Network or the Trump Tweets or TVT or MTV and frankly couldn't care less what they have to say on ANY subject.

                                            Second, if the story is about a girl near Houston, what the hell does Bill C-16 have to do with this as it's a Canadian Law.  In case you're unaware of this, there is a Canadian/USA border.  On the Canadian side we have laws that protect everyone while on the American side, they have laws that protect Wall Street, Multi-Billionaires,  Big Bussiness and don't much care about the rest of the people especially if they are part of the LGBT community.

                                            Third, I asked earlier "Would it be too much to point to a legitimate news source about this Blond Girl as this story is news to me." at which time I will read the story and post any comments if I feel it needs to be made.

                                            Fourth, In Canada we have laws that define the type of pronoun one can use to identify themselves, things like Mr., Mrs., Miss, or if they belong to certain professions such as Doctor. Teacher, Senator or our Prime Minister who is referred to by the Right Honorable Justin Trudeau  or past Prime Ministers who are also entitled to be called the Right Honorable before their name.

                                            "Quatrièmement, au Canada, nous avons des lois qui définissent le type de pronom on peut utiliser pour identifier les choses comme M., Mme, Mlle, eux-mêmes, ou s’ils appartiennent à certaines professions comme médecin. Professeur, sénateur ou notre premier ministre, qui est désignée par le très Honorable Justin Trudeau soit passé de premiers ministres qui sont également habilités à être appelé l’Honorable droit devant leur nom."

                                            And as to the comment posted earlier in this discussion "Also, the LGBT community is not the issue, is obvious C-16 was meant primarily for transgender people",  I would point out that transgender people are part of the LGBT community.  I would also point out that bill C-16 has nothing to do with some girl near Houston as that is on the American side of the border.  Trust this clears up any confusion you may have regarding an Canadian Law (Bill C-16) and what effect it would have on a girl near Houston (USA)?

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