'Gay cake' appeal: Christian bakers Ashers lose appeal
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Sounds to me like the whole thing was a set up. They no doubt went to a known conservative's bakery and asked them to make a message they knew they'd disagree with and knew they could stir up a stink.
I stand more with the baker on this. Some gays are just out to make trouble, hoping to feel oppressed and cause drama. If they told me no, I'd take my money to someone who wanted it and move on with my life.
Gays in the Middle East are being tortured and killed and the media focuses on non-issues. PATHETIC. -
Sounds to me like the whole thing was a set up. They no doubt went to a known conservative's bakery and asked them to make a message they knew they'd disagree with and knew they could stir up a stink.
I stand more with the baker on this. Some gays are just out to make trouble, hoping to feel oppressed and cause drama. If they told me no, I'd take my money to someone who wanted it and move on with my life.
Gays in the Middle East are being tortured and killed and the media focuses on non-issues. PATHETIC.Both sides could be at fault.
That could have been a possible scenario of baiting a conservative owner of a bakery. And it's just a bakery. It's not like it provides life-saving services that you can say they should be liable if they turned down gay people.
if you see a baker refusing you, find another one. you can also tell other friends and they'll decide if they'll want to keep on going to that baker.
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It's a two way street. Suppose I am a baker. A Right Wing Fundamentalist Christian preacher by the name of Pat Robertson walks into my place of business and orders up a sheet cake with the words "Gay Marriage is an Abomination!" What am I going to do? Well, I'll tell you. I'm going to tell the sanctimonius S.O.B. to act like a goose and get the flock out of my store. That cake is an insulting slap to my face! It is my right to defend my way of life without someone trying to insult me and cause me harm. So guess what? I get sued by the legal team of Regent University.
The Ashers also have a right not to have their moral convictions upended and shoved in their face. Justice is not served when they cannot defend themselves and the Appellates have told them just that. "Mr. and Mrs. Asher, you have no rights. You must make that cake no matter how personally offensive you find it to be. If you believe your going to hell by icing that pastry, tough noogies. Your feelings don't count!"
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Under federal law, most groups are protected from discrimination. HOWEVER, GLBTs are not protected. This means that regardless of your religious beliefs, you can only be bigots toward gays and be within the law.
Currently, only some states provide equal protection under state laws.
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So many gay fascists in this world. It should be legal to turn away gays, blacks, Jews—anybody.
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So many gay fascists in this world. It should be legal to turn away gays, blacks, Jews—anybody.
Except that, you can really only be a bigot to LGBTs in most of the US.
It's not "gay fascism" to want equality under the law.
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Yes, of course that was most likely a "set-up". I don't think the gay-rights activist just wanted a cake, that he could have any other place.
I reminds me of some "kiss-ins" we had 25 years ago when a lesbian couple was kicked out of a bar. I guess it was well known that this bakery is a bit homophobic and religious lunatic and the guy decided to order some "gay cake".
It may seem ridiculous at times but without "gay activists" and stuff like that we all would still be in the closet. At least those of us who are out and not married with children and only "gay on the internet".
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There is a very similar case to this in Oregon. In that case the Bakery eventually closed.
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gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone, does it? It's not like straight marriage would become illegal or something? Religious people can be so heartless sometimes…
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gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone, does it? It's not like straight marriage would become illegal or something? Religious people can be so heartless sometimes…
i wanted to say that but you said it first !
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Guys, y'all realise this ruling means if you are a gay baker you will not allowed to not make a cake saying "homosexuality is a sin" if a customer asks for it?
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Guys, y'all realise this ruling means if you are a gay baker you will not allowed to not make a cake saying "homosexuality is a sin" if a customer asks for it?
Seems they don't realize it yet.
As someone said already, law is a two-way street.
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Guys, y'all realise this ruling means if you are a gay baker you will not allowed to not make a cake saying "homosexuality is a sin" if a customer asks for it?
What you are forgeting is that it would be illegal under federal law which protects believers (and several other groups), but not LGBTs. It would only not be illegal if the state also included LGBTs in anti-discrimination laws.
Most states do not include LGBTs in anti-discrimination laws. So in most of the US, gays are forced to pander to believers who can actively discriminate against them.
Anti-discrimination protections is an all or nothing type thing. There is no equality in a system that allows a group to be discriminated against, but not others.
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iam so happy for that also
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