Does Trump's victory in the Presidental election worry you as an LGBT individua?
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Reading this and other political boards has really opened my eyes. I used to believe that, because of the things we've been through individually and as a group, gay people were a little better than average. A little smarter, a little braver, a little more aware.
I have observed and think, in general, gay people are. But it is not, of course, true of all gay people and, in particular, less so with gay men.
Being abused and hated for whom you are can help a person to develop empathy, because you can then related what you felt to others in similar circumstances. I know this has happened with me, but part of that is I am smart and creative, which helps to better understand how other folks might feel.
I read a great, great deal as well and there have been studies in the last several years, that reading fiction also develops empathy:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/novel-finding-reading-literary-fiction-improves-empathy/
I also have observed and think with many (again, not all) gay men, we are taught by the example of others to see other men – and even ourselves -- as sex objects, as things, and not as whole people in our intimate relationships.
Now I see that we really are just as prone to the same stupidity and blindness as everyone else, clearly evidenced here by every mouth-breathing Trump voter. Congratulations, my fellow gays: you just as dumb and self destructive as straight people. Thanks for disillusioning me that way. :nutki:
Again, I do not think it is the majority of gay people from what I have widely observed – but certainly it is far more than I expected. I am also greatly disappointed by a great many of my fellow Americans. Over the decades and observation and study, I have estimated that at least 20-25% of the people in my nation are likely psychotic in one form or other. I had wondered about this for sometime, but what gave me a likely percentage was at the very end of George W. Bush's 2nd terms, with two wars raging, with Saddam Hussein (who hated Islamic fanatics) being blamed from what Osama bin Laden had done, with our American and the world's economies already deep in the Great Recession, that there were still 21% of Americans who gave W. Bush a positive approval rating. To believe that, one could really only be badly out of touch with Reality.
Willful-Ignorance and -Stupidity abound in Humanity.
One example of this is the wide, wide-spread hostility towards Hillary Clinton. It seems the a great many people who were constantly referring to "criminal" and "corrupting" nature NEVER stopped to truly consider the fact that despite multiple investigates over decades, Ms. Clinton had NEVER been legally charged with any criminal act -- and had NEVER been convicted of any crime.
Instead what actually happen was over 30 years of a slander, libel, and blatantly, vicious-circle of lies and gossip against Ms. Clinton by those on the far-right. The ultraconservative extremist were still throwing around "Benghazi" despite multiple Republican-lead congressional investigation NEVER found her a fault -- and, in fact, several of them even cleared here.
In fact, comparison of truthfulness between Ms. Clinton and Donald Trump showed that it was Trump -- and
NOT Clinton -- who lied far, far more:But the smearing against her continued on and on and on until a a great many, many people believed it.
A great majority of the Republicans in American – and Trump certainly demonstrated this though out his entire campaign -- had leading the truth of the statement:
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
It was Adolph Hitler who said that.
There is one other very important thing to note. While Ms. Clinton did loose the presidency, that was because of the very outdate and now pointless Electoral College system.
Hillary Clinton WON the popular voted by over 1,000,000 votes -- and actual vote-counting is still continuing, and as it does, her lead continues to grow. This is twice now since the start of 2000s that the winners of the popular vote -- Al Gore and Hillary Clinton, both Democrats -- lost the presidency due to the Electoral College.
In 2000, that gave American W. Bush as president -- and by any objective standard, his term was a disaster for the American nation and its people. And now we have... Trump.
The question was:
"Does Trump's victory in the Presidential election worry you as an LGBT individual?"
YES, it does, deeply and seriously worry me. It worries me, depresses me, angers me greatly for not only for the pain and harm Trump, his Administration, and his supporters will bring to gay people, but will bring to American citizens and America itself as a whole.
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It really disgusts me when I see all those gaysfortrump accounts on twitter. Maybe at least he can do something good for those elite minorities. But how in hell can he possibly not harm our community? Exploiting gays like this is really vile and despicable.
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I do want to remark on the fact there seems to be a lot of short-term thinking in these posts.
Do you think gay civil rights in America is ONLY about same-sex marriage being legal?
The US Supreme Court said it will hear the case involving a trans student who wanted to use a restroom based on his gender orientation. North Carolina had passed a law against this. Does that not concern you?
Mississippi past a law making it legal for religious believers to openly and public discriminate against gay people – because of those believers' religious beliefs. VP-Elect Pence also had passed and signed into a law a similar "'Religious Liberty" law when he was governor of Indiana – until gay activists and local and national businesses yelled FOUL and it was repealed. A similar law was passed in Georgia but not signed into law by its governor because, again, activists and businesses PROTESTED. (That did NOT happen in Mississippi, because it's economy is so bad (Mississippi ONLY survives because so much federal money goes to it) there were NO major businesses there to object.)
Twenty-eight (28) states have NO LAWS that protect the basic civil rights of gay people – such as the right NOT to be deny housing or employment nor other such protections that American citizens have. Gay people are 2nd class citizens in over half of America's states.
In May of this year, the Republicans in Congress BLOCKED a measure that would have protected LGBT workers in businesses that had federal contracts. What do you think will happen when similar laws are passed by the Republican-controlled Congress and go to Republican President Trump to be signed into law or be vetoed?
If you voted Republican in the November 2016 election, you did vote AGAINST the civil rights of LGBT people in our United States of America.
Wake up.
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Update on this topic:
Letters To California Mosques Praise Donald Trump, Promise Genocide
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-mosque-letters-genocide_us_5839ffcbe4b000af95ee61bd
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This WORRYS me.. :cry2:
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Yes, obviously, there is an incredibly small minority of extremist, right-wing fringe voters who are racist, but they don't come near to representing the vast majority of poor who are voting for themselves, not against immigrants. They vote for border control because they feel abandoned by the system, not because they "hate" immigrants. Assuming all poor people are racist idiots is just as arrogant and clueless as [**assuming non-whites can't get ID's for voting [EDIT: inb4 "buuuhh! Faux News!" Would you feel better if I'd posted it from MSNBC?]. It's the typical soft classicism and racism of the privileged left that deems everyone "less" than them as helpless and weak idiots in need of their wisdom and stupid, narcissistic savior complexes, and who prefer to coddle and placate the disadvantaged than to actually help them. I grew up poor. Dirt-fucking-poor. I know what a trap the welfare system is, and how condescending the left is to its "underlings" (poor, disadvantaged people) based on personal experience.
Wisconsin, for one, would beg to differ with you. Voter turn-out went WAY down in Milwaukee County this election. Wonder why that might be? Perhaps the new voter ID laws? Care to guess what the predominant Milwaukee Co. demographic is? (Hint: poor and minority). Let's not kid ourselves that Voter ID laws were passed on some principled stand against (the non-existent problem of) voter fraud. It was specifically designed to depress the Democratic turnout. And it succeeded. So congrats, Republican assholes, mission accomplished!**](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs#)
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If you voted Republican in the November 2016 election, you did vote AGAINST the civil rights of LGBT people in our United States of America.
Wake up.
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Keep yelling and you can keep fucking off!
Nobody tells how to vote, and your acting like a raving moron doesn't help sway my opinion of the :pleasant: "tolerant left." :pleasant::fight:
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I didn't vote for him, but no. Not worried.
I am worried about the insane amount of bullying from the Hillary camp. They scream intolerance so loud to avoid people rightfully calling them intolerant. -
Some people won't believe that bad things can result from their choices until it actually happens. I remember the bad old days.and I can :blownose: read.the signs. Trump will roll back every thing we've won while the oblivious fools who voted for him hide their heads in the sand. The ones who paved the way for him will deserve what he does while the rest of us pay the price for their blindness.
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Not worried. Not really sure why.
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yes
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Not too worried until they make an attempt to roll back hate crime laws. If Republicans pass legislation revoking the Matthew Shepard Act or any other protection that is in place to deter homophobes from killing people like us, then it would be time to worry. They're busy trying to get their tax cuts right now so no, there's no need to worry as an LGBT individual at this time. To be honest, I can't see them coming after us anymore given that the country has pretty much moved on.
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Some people won't believe that bad things can result from their choices until it actually happens. I remember the bad old days.and I can :blownose: read.the signs. Trump will roll back every thing we've won while the oblivious fools who voted for him hide their heads in the sand. The ones who paved the way for him will deserve what he does while the rest of us pay the price for their blindness.
That honestly sounds like sour grapes from a Hillary supporter.
What if he ends up doing good things? Not saying he will, I can't stand him, but if he does good things will you change tune or still have this attitude? -
I agree with RoyalCrown89, the country has moved on so I don't see Trump & Co. going after gays because no one cares about gay stuff anymore.
It doesn't matter if Trump does good or bad, the left will only ever view him as a Nazi.
Obama could go on live TV, rape and eat babies and the left will only ever view him as a saint.
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yes
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