House rules regarding screenshots.
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I've removed the forum topic referred to in the opening post, because it is partly out-dated (origins from 2007) and redundant with the Rules > https://www.gaytor.rent/rules.php
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1. It should be made impossible to add a torrent unless a picture is included. (...)This is enforced by the upload system
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2. File names should match the video. (...)This is rather constraining for the uploder, because many sources name files 'hash' type like and this might require the uploder to copy the file (double storage space). It is more important that title ans description give correct information what the content is IMHO
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3. Snapshots should be relevant to the video. (...)That is required by the uploading rules
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If any of the 3 points above are ignored and are reported by other members then the mods should 'suspend' the torrent leaving it invisible, a message should be sent to the uploader explaining why their torrent has been suspended and what needs to change. Repeat offenders should have their accounts suspended or deleted. (...)The issue is that many uploaders don't ever react on PMs sent by Staff to improve on these pure description issues, a side that making those uploads "invisible" will hit the wrong members, those who started downloads and won't be able to seed back, due to missing new downloading peers. We have a "punishment" for repeat "offenders" in place: set their uploads go through approval.
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I never experience these problems with GT or GTN ever and I trust whatever I am downloading from their sites however it is often not always the case here in GT.ru were I have downloaded many torrents with my fingers crossed for luck.If this issue was only once in a while I wouldn't mine but is happening all the time now.
What you say here is of big concern for me, bigger than you will think from my above answers. The Uploading Rules were amended already last year to require better minimum standards.
GayTorrent.ru's moderation team faces a pure quantity issue, there are daily as many uploads as GTN has in a month. Members can help here by reporting all uploads not meeting the rules (especially wrong and/or misleading presentations), adding comments to the torrents what the shared content actually is (rather than complaining it is poor, missing, etc…) and adding good relevant picture.
For my part, I've to see how the internal processes can be improved, so that the new uploaders get helped to improve and those not learning get send to upload approval (earlier and systematically).
and we will require more active staff :crazy2:
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Popper, you deserve a holiday :hug:
But I have said it before that if any torrent allows extra screenshots and there has been at least one completion, there is nothing to stop that downloader from making the shots and uploading them (and getting a bonus).
You don't even have to show your name like you do when saying thanks
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Thanks Popper, I appreciate your reply.
1. It should be made impossible to add a torrent unless a picture is included.
This is enforced by the upload system
So why are so many torrents uploaded without any screen grabs? How can this happen?
2. File names should match the video.
This is rather constraining for the uploder, because many sources name files 'hash' type like and this might require the uploder to copy the file (double storage space). It is more important that title ans description give correct information what the content is IMHO
Agreed, all file names and descriptions should match the video however this is not the case and whenever I have reported it nothing changes.
3. Snapshots should be relevant to the video.
That is required by the uploading rules
But because this rule is not enforced torrents are being posted regularly, everyday and are getting increasingly more in numbers.
4. If any of the 3 points above are ignored and are reported by other members then the mods should 'suspend' the torrent leaving it invisible, a message should be sent to the up-loader explaining why their torrent has been suspended and what needs to change. Repeat offenders should have their accounts suspended or deleted.
The issue is that many uploaders don't ever react on PMs sent by Staff to improve on these pure description issues, a side that making those uploads "invisible" will hit the wrong members, those who started downloads and won't be able to seed back, due to missing new downloading peers. We have a "punishment" for repeat "offenders" in place: set their uploads go through approval.
Up-loaders who do not reply to the PM's or comments regarding their infraction/s and do not correct them only highlight an untrustworthy member who does not respect the site rules. Are they members GT.RU want? Those that want their ratio's and/or points increased will care if their uploads are 'suspended' because they are not increasing their ratios and points, they will learn the site rules and adhere to them knowing that if their persistent infractions continue, they will be banned.
Those members who take the risk in downloading a video in a post that does not meet site rules must also understand that when that post is suspended they will have to wait till the owner of the post corrects the mistakes or unfortunately they will end up with only a fraction of the torrent. Its a risk they take when they 'click' the download button on a post that has no screen shots (as an example). This already happens when a duplicate torrent is deleted, many peers will end up with an incomplete download.
I never experience these problems with GT or GTN ever and I trust whatever I am downloading from their sites however it is often not always the case here in GT.ru were I have downloaded many torrents with my fingers crossed for luck.
If this issue was only once in a while I wouldn't mine but is happening all the time now.
GayTorrent.ru's moderation team faces a pure quantity issue, there are daily as many uploads as GTN has in a month. Members can help here by reporting all uploads not meeting the rules (especially wrong and/or misleading presentations), adding comments to the torrents what the shared content actually is (rather than complaining it is poor, missing, etc…) and adding good relevant picture.
I for one report several torrents a night for infractions, the duplicates are taken down but those that have no snapshots and/or file names such as "003568.mp4" with a post title of "two men fucking" with the description "hot!!" are always left visible on the site regardless of your own site rules (old or new) and these type of uploads are happening all the time everyday and in the example I gave of the 5 visible torrents in my original comment here, you can see that the up-loader gave no consideration to the comments left for him by myself and another member and he didn't care at all for the site rules. Out of interest is this member now having his up-loads go through approval?
I know you provide points for adding snapshots but in all honesty I really just don't have the time considering how many posts there are out there that have non and I suspect that providing this bonus enables up-loaders to not bother because someone will put one up eventually, thus encouraging your own rules to be broken in the first place.
If you are able to look inside my In-Box you will see a message I wrote to a mod a while ago, please notice his/her reply:
"We send them a request, but after that there isn't much we can do to force them to post images."
Why not?
IMO - members that want to upload a torrent must provide the correct tile of what they are uploading with the correct file name with accurate snapshots and accurate descriptions just like those over on GT and GTN, these are in no way exhaustive or unusual, these requirements are the 'norm'. Breaches in these rules will be met with suspension of the torrent till the post owner corrects them where 24 hours later the post will be deleted completely. Persistent rule breakers will be banned. I believe this will result in far far fewer infractions and a noticeable quality increase of the site as a whole. Getting the message across in the beginning will result in less work for the mod's in the end.
I've been here for a while, I've contributed a lot to the uploads and never once broken with the rules in regards to this. I visit GT.RU daily and over the year I've noticed a severe decrease in quality uploads. I do my best in reporting infractions whenever I'm here.
In part this is just me unloading my frustration but non the less.
Thanks Poppers. X
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So why are so many torrents uploaded without any screen grabs? How can this happen?
They probably aren't. They have probably been uploaded with a, perhaps inappropriate, picture which the Moderators have removed after someone has reported it. You can't expect the Moderators to then replace it with a decent picture.
I can't help but feel that you are looking for rule-breakers or that you are unlucky. I too have been here for a while (even longer than my current details, which are public show) and I haven't seen this as the major problem that you have. I tend to just ignore torrents that don't explain what they are.
You seem to want to punish every rule breaker.
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They probably aren't. They have probably been uploaded with a, perhaps inappropriate, picture which the Moderators have removed after someone has reported it. You can't expect the Moderators to then replace it with a decent picture.
I delete the irrelevant photos(when reported), but do not have time to try to find replacements. But first torrents that do mot meet our rules have to be reported…
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Those members who take the risk in downloading a video in a post that does not meet site rules must also understand that when that post is suspended they will have to wait till the owner of the post corrects the mistakes or unfortunately they will end up with only a fraction of the torrent. Its a risk they take when they 'click' the download button on a post that has no screen shots (as an example). This already happens when a duplicate torrent is deleted, many peers will end up with an incomplete download.
No, when a duplicate torrent is deleted the people whom are downloading the files still receive their download as long as the uploader still seeds the torrent, All that happens is that the torrent detail page is removed thus not allowing anymore people to download the .torrent file and join the swarm.
Now, the same thing can happen with other torrent detail pages that do not follow the rules. They could be removed from the general public view, not allowing anybody else to download the .torrent file until the torrent detail page is fixed by the uploader. This would still allow the ones that have downloaded the .torrent file to complete the download. If the uploader fails to fix the errors or if the uploader continues to make errors on the detail page then the uploader could have his privileges suspended or be banned.
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So why are so many torrents uploaded without any screen grabs? How can this happen?
Through the "[Edit this torrent]" function the uploader (the first 7 days) and staff got.
Agreed, all file names and descriptions should match the video however this is not the case and whenever I have reported it nothing changes.
File names in a torrent's file list can't be changed without a new torrent.
But because this rule is not enforced torrents are being posted regularly, everyday and are getting increasingly more in numbers.
The rule is enforced when GayTorrent.ru moderators get notice of the issue, the picture will be removed, members to add better then. Reporting is important therefore.
Regarding the longer paragraphs of rothko:
We got many members doing their first uploads, often driven by low ratio warning messages. It is already difficult to get the first own upload on a private tracker wronging (therefore the First Time Upload Program bonus points). Those hasty uploads have indeed often not rule conform presentations. Then there are two aspects…
1/ Get members to improve their upload presentations and help them doing so (your first uploads might not have the level than yours have now ...), rather than pull out the hammer and punish
2/ It is just the presentation, it can be improved. I refuse to warn members who do the most important thing: share content with the members.The current system hasn't an option to "park" torrents with not rules conform presentations (that would be great) only two...
1/ Delete a torrent (that is what is done with torrents having issues with the content shared, e.g. alleged copyright infringement, potential under legal age models, etc...)
2/ Remove from the public access, but still track them until above 1/ (that is done for example with duplicate uploads, a practice I'm not sure if it is good, as it encourages duplicate uploads. On the other hand repeated duplicate uploads are a freeway to get set on approval)
Once set like this, the uploader lost access, too, so that isn't the right option for poor presentations.That is limiting the possibilities in how to process those torrents which have a poor description and to my experience changing the system will take years, just because most resources are occupied to keep the site running against all odds.
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So why are so many torrents uploaded without any screen grabs? How can this happen?
They probably aren't. They have probably been uploaded with a, perhaps inappropriate, picture which the Moderators have removed after someone has reported it. You can't expect the Moderators to then replace it with a decent picture.
I can't help but feel that you are looking for rule-breakers or that you are unlucky. I too have been here for a while (even longer than my current details, which are public show) and I haven't seen this as the major problem that you have. I tend to just ignore torrents that don't explain what they are.
You seem to want to punish every rule breaker.
I log-on, I go to the first page just like anyone else and I look through the torrents on that page, again just like everyone else, I do no different. During that 'scan' of the first page I regularly come across posts that have no snapshots, no descriptions, nonsense video titles and many were other members have left comments highlighting these issues direct. That's it. There is no hunting of any kind, I don't have to, they are there in full view.
There is nothing here that I have written that would lead you to believe I want to "punish every rule breaker". The only action I have suggested is those members who ignore PM's have their uploads suspend and repeat rule breakers could find themselves banned. These rules already exist in many different forms on this and any other site. You are bound by them as if everyone else.
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(…) During that 'scan' of the first page I regularly come across posts that have no snapshots, no descriptions, nonsense video titles and many were other members have left comments highlighting these issues direct. That's it. There is no hunting of any kind, I don't have to, they are there in full view. (...)
Comments won't get a staff attention, unless reported. Rather than make a comment about poor or wrong information, members should add comments with missing information or add pictures, and/or report the the torrent for wrong or misleading information (including pictures).
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Agreed, all file names and descriptions should match the video however this is not the case and whenever I have reported it nothing changes.
File names in a torrent's file list can't be changed without a new torrent.
"Nothing changes" is meant in general, not with that particular torrent.
During that 'scan' of the first page I regularly come across posts that have no snapshots, no descriptions, nonsense video titles and many were other members have left comments highlighting these issues direct. That's it. There is no hunting of any kind, I don't have to, they are there in full view.
Comments won't get a staff attention, unless reported. Rather than make a comment about poor or wrong information, members should add comments with missing information or add pictures, and/or report the the torrent for wrong or misleading information (including pictures).
But you said earlier improvement would "require more active staff" Members that leave comments regarding site enforced post quality probably feel they are informing the up-loader without reporting them to a mod. I remember my first upload here were I didn't copy the file names onto the post description, a member left a comment about it and I corrected it as soon as I got the message, no mod involved at all and no need. When I do report them via the mods nothing happens and I guess its because:
"We send them a request, but after that there isn't much we can do to force them to post images."
I have to say I'm beginning to feel like I'm walking through mud here, way too much of an effort for me. Having read through this whole conversation there has been nothing agreed on and no sign that there is even an issue here on GT.RU and that's fine, the site is not mine and I hold no responsibility for it.
As I said before Poppers this is just my opinion and you can do with it what you will.
Thanks again
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The only thing I can think of would be the first five or so uploads have to go through an approval process. I know it would cause a backlog at first having seen and been a part of it happening on another site where everything that was uploaded had to be pre-approved before it went out to the members, but it was well worth it. What went out to the members was a better quality and conformed to the rules. Then after the uploader is released from the process if they start to upload new items that do not conform to the rules that is when sanctions can come into play.
For the approval process I am just talking about. Filenames, Torrent names, photos and descriptions. Just a very quick check. In no way would I want mods to check to make sure the photos do belong to the video being uploaded or that the torrent might be a duplicate. Just a quick 20 second check. If everything looks good approval it, if not reject the torrent with a pm saying it needs to be fixed or was deleted and the reason.
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Didn't that used to happen here? Or am I thinking about that other site too?
Given the staff are under pressure to keep up now, I wonder whether another job would be possible.
I'm thinking it might be better for members to report non-conforming torrents. But then it is often difficult to get members to communicate.
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Didn't that used to happen here? Or am I thinking about that other site too?
Given the staff are under pressure to keep up now, I wonder whether another job would be possible.
I'm thinking it might be better for members to report non-conforming torrents. But then it is often difficult to get members to communicate.
I doubt we are thinking about the same site. Since the one I was a mod for and had to approve any member upload was an online game and we would get hundreds on submissions each day. Each one had to be looked over before it was released to the game.
I just reported five or six newly uploaded torrents tonight for filename, description, category, torrent name. They were all from the same person, four of the torrents had the same name and the same description which didn't describe the torrent. "A Very hot Video" I think is what they used for the torrent name and description. It took me longer to report the torrents then it would have taken a mod to reject them. Heck most of the process can be automatic without even bringing up the detail page. Just need to show the mod the facts they need to look at on one page. They click accept or deny and check a reason. Clicking deny automatic sends a standard email with the reason checked and a 24 hour notice. Once the torrent is edited it goes back into the que. If it is not edited in 24 hours the system deletes it.
Also remember the mods would not be checking all new torrents just the first five or so from each member until that member surpasses the approval process.
Would it be more work? I have no idea. I wonder how many reports on torrents the mods handle each day and that number and work load should almost vanish.
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Why not just attach a sign or a label to a torrent that says "reported for invalid screenshots" or "reported for wrong video" or "request for a file name change". I mean if people see that other users have tagged it as such then they'll know what's wrong with the torrent.
Some people comment on the torrent but not report it.
Some people report it but not comment.
Maybe a report should be an auto comment or something just so people know what's up and that other users are warned.
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@__rothko__: I've said earlier "What you say here is of big concern for me, bigger than you will think from my above answers."
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"For my part, I've to see how the internal processes can be improved, so that the new uploaders get helped to improve and those not learning get send to upload approval (earlier and systematically).
and we will require more active staff "
We have rather low minimum requirements defined by the rules (basically one good related picture and title/description not being wrong or misleading, aside special requirements for collections and LGTBQ themed movies) and it is really a concern that we fail to even enforce these.
Your topic is a nudge for me to put more focus on getting more active moderators and improving /streamlining processes. I ensure you it is and will be continued to be worked on. Only don't expect visible changes the next few days.
All members can really help in reporting not rule conform torrent presentations. What then will happen next is:
- A moderator will handle the report, remove wrong or misleading information (including pictures)
- The moderator might add information from the comments or supplied with the report
- Then give the uploader a PM to improve the presentation
The uploader will have full 7 days (this might be felt too long…) from the upload date, i.e. the time he's able to edit the torrent presentation, to improve it.
What happens after these 7 days isn't well defined. That has to be done, clearly. Here could help user comments on what the shared files are (rather than comments complaining about bad presentation) and members adding pictures. It isn't only an uploader issue, all members can help especially those who have downloaded the torrent's files despite the lacking presentation.
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Didn't that used to happen here? [auto-approval]
I wasn't going ga-ga (well, I might be but on this my memory was OK)
Yesterday, while checking out a reply to another query I saw this pic on the member's post. So it was the case that you did have to earn approval for the first few posts you did.
I have no idea what happened to that.
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Hilarious piss take - https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=d09a2f79d05321948898755eeac76087034c051c71f129f8
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More hilarious screenshots:
https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=3344567355532a5d8898755eeac7608769a0339728ea6d4d
https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=b1b43bab77c457568898755eeac760877b558eb192390c8b
It does more good to report these than post them in the forums.
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Several hours on many occasions.
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