Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman:
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I am not a Christian, I am gay, not recovering from anything.
I'm happy for people to believe in whatever they like as long as it doesn't interfere with me but I do find it annoying when people quote the bible so selectively. At the time of the verses you quote there were no Christians.
And why do all these 'militant' anti-gay Christian people seem so angry - I thought Jesus was all about love.
We won't get into the whole Leviticus thing about mixed fibres, menstruating women or shellfish but if the Bible is holy writ, surely you should abide by all of it.
And so far in England we have had two Anglican male priests marry and two Lesbians get married in a non-conformist Christian church. World still seems to be turning
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Well the Anglican church has never been quote "orthodox" considering the nature of its foundation. So it allowing gays to marry is not too shocking.
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Well, Balder, doesn't look like you've strayed very far!!
And you might need to read the original post again. It doesn't claim any nonexistence of quotes regarding one man, one woman. What it does state is that the bible is contradictory and confusing on the issue and goes on to quote verses that are just that - contradictory and confusing to the concept of one man, one woman.
Your reply pretty much fits the bill of what the original post is all about - Christians cherry-picking the Bible to agree with what they would like it to agree with… and ignoring what they don't like/what doesn't suit them.
For what it's worth I'm gay - and a recovering Christian. To explain what that means, I was brought up in a devoutly religious family and community and was more or less brainwashed as child to believe all kinds of unhealthy, unloving, downright hateful, bigoted and racist things.
And just to clarify, I'm not a practicing homosexual. I'm effing brilliant at it!!
All joking aside, I sincerely hope you learn to accept yourself as you were created -- and learn to enjoy that, as well as all the love and pleasure life has to offer. There are even plenty of Christians who would be more than happy, and able, to help you with that.
Good luck
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^ :clap2:
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First off, I'm happy you accept yourself and you found that the Christian faith is not the right fit for you. It isn't for everyone and there are many other religions that may better suite your needs.
I'm not jaded enough to believe that religions don't cherry pick what their particular religion holds sacred. This is why there are hundreds of religions based off of the same book. They each emphasize or translate the Bible differently. That being said, the religion I follow "cherry picks" and holds the verses of marriage being between a man and a women very sacred (Catholicism). There are many christian faiths out there that don't emphasize this value as strongly and may "cherry pick" a different verse to fit their creed.
I had to respond to the first message because it encompassed all of Christianity and that is very disrespectful to my religion that "cherry picks." Religion is based on faith - belief not based on truth. I have faith in my religion and what they cherry picked. As a non-religious person with no faith in a particular religion, I can see how this kind of faith is hard to accept and obtain. No one can force you to have faith and no one should try.
Once again the start of my issue with the original post is that it encompassed all of Christianity. If the basis of the passage was to prove that religion cherry-picks certain verses to advance their own creeds, I could have agreed. The passage instead attacked every Christian religion as not having any clear proof from the bible that marriage is between one man and one women this is completely erroneous when it comes to Catholicism.
Thank you once again for your time :love: :love: :love:
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Proverbs 18:22
He who finds a wife finds what is good and receives favor from the LORD.
¡Bendita sea tu fuente!
¡Goza con la esposa de tu juventud!
19 Es una gacela amorosa,
es una cervatilla encantadora.Proverbs 20:6-7
Many a man claims to have unfailing love, but a faithful man who can find? The righteous man leads a blameless life; blessed are his children after him.
Son muchos los que proclaman su lealtad,
¿pero quién puede hallar a alguien digno de confianza?7 Justo es quien lleva una vida sin tacha;
¡dichosos los hijos que sigan su ejemploDeuteronomy 24:5
If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.
No envíes a la guerra a ningún hombre recién casado, ni le impongas ningún otro deber. Tendrá libre todo un año para atender su casa y hacer feliz a la mujer que tomó por esposa.Matthew 19:4-6
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."Colossians 3:18-19
Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them.
Normas para la familia cristiana
18 Esposas, sométanse a sus esposos, como conviene en el Señor.
19 Esposos, amen a sus esposas y no sean duros con ellas.Hebrews 13:4-7
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So we say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?" Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith.
4 Tengan todos en alta estima el matrimonio y la fidelidad conyugal, porque Dios juzgará a los adúlteros y a todos los que cometen inmoralidades sexuales. 5 Manténganse libres del amor al dinero, y conténtense con lo que tienen, porque Dios ha dicho:
«Nunca te dejaré;
jamás te abandonaré.
6 Así que podemos decir con toda confianza:
El Señor es quien me ayuda; no temeré.
¿Qué me puede hacer un simple mortal?
7 Acuérdense de sus dirigentes, que les comunicaron la palabra de Dios. Consideren cuál fue el resultado de su estilo de vida, e imiten su fe. 8 *Jesucristo es el mismo ayer y hoy y por los siglos.Mark 10:6-9
"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
6 Pero al principio de la creación Dios “los hizo hombre y mujer”. **7 “Por eso dejará el hombre a su padre y a su madre, y se unirá a su esposa,[c] 8 y los dos llegarán a ser un solo cuerpo.”[d] Así que ya no son dos, sino uno solo. 9 Por tanto, lo que Dios ha unido, que no lo separe el hombre.Ephesians 5:22-33
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church– for we are members of his body. "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
22 Esposas, sométanse a sus propios esposos como al Señor. 23 Porque el esposo es cabeza de su esposa, así como Cristo es cabeza y salvador de la iglesia, la cual es su cuerpo.** -
Well the bible does omit part of the genesis that it take from the tora, so expect fun as you read about the first couples…
Actually in the dark ages there were gay couples married by the church also, in galicia there is a document of the 11th century I believe, in germany there was also a codex that tells a god tale about it, however just forward to any cathedral of the medieval and look at the statuary in the water lines, most likely you will see some gay action there. (The church did never care much about it until Erasmus and Calvin)
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Plase tell me the parts that you think condone gay sex. :pope:
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Matthew 8: 5-13: “Jesus Heals the Roman Soldier's Servant:”
Jesus meets a humbled Roman Soldier; something that was strange, because, at that time, Israel was controlled by Rome, and the soldier would have been in a much more powerful position than a wanderer and simple prophet like Jesus. The Soldier begins to tell Jesus about his sick and dying servant. Roman soldiers typically had a number of servants, just like in this story, but the Soldier keeps explaining to Jesus why this servant, the sick one, is special to him. Servants, like slaves, were like property that could be easily replaced, but this Roman Soldier has a special connection to this servant. He humbled himself before a man that most Romans thought was a loon. out of faith that Jesus could heal him. Jesus, knowing all, decided not only to heal this special servant, but to commend this Soldier on his great faith.
While so many people forget this story, it speak volumes about what Jesus thought about men having special “friendships” or “relationships” with other men. Jesus did not tell this guy that he shouldn’t be “getting too close to this male servant, because being gay is wrong;” he commended the man for stepping out of his comfort zone and acting out of faith and love for his fellow man.
This is one of possible cases tho even in the old testment you get some cases like these, which is normal since homossexuality wasn't exactly a faux pas… AGAIN historical aproach over interpretation might be interesting tho Paul was a biggot hater and that is that ahahah
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The fact he healed a gay soldier goes to show his benevolence and not his acceptance of homosexuality. I only see one verse here and it doesn't exactly condone homosexuality. Where exactly do you think it does? :pope: :cheerup:
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The fact he healed a gay soldier goes to show his benevolence and not his acceptance of homosexuality. I only see one verse here and it doesn't exactly condone homosexuality. Where exactly do you think it does? :pope: :cheerup:
He did not healed a gay soldier, he healed his slave lover? :poorthing:
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Regardless of that, it still only shows the magnitude of God's benevolence and not his accpetance of condonation of their behavior. God also stepped to prevent the stoning of a prostitute, which is also not a condoned behavior. Again this just shows God's mercy not acceptance. Love the person and not the sin. :love:
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