"Your comments are so full of it, that they don't deserve a response.  Seems like nobody pays any attention to you anyway." And yet somehow, here you are, responding anyway. "You overlooked that the Secretary of State and the U.S. National Security Advisor were at that same meeting and said several times that Trump did nothing wrong." The S of S is an unregenerate Confederacy apologist who was specifically, and Twice, told by Trump to leave the room for that inappropriate private chat with the man conducting investigations against his possible financial corruption and collusion with a foreign power, possibly via fired national security advisor Michael Flynn, a paid foreign agent. The current S of S is active military and as such subject to court martial if he does not do or say anything the Commander in Chief tells him to do or say. No one in this White House has any credibility whatsoever. Why would anyone believe a thing they say about anything at all? "Instead, you and several other news organizations," Surprise! I am not a news organization. What we know is that immediately after the foot-in-mouth fuckup, intelligence agencies were alerted, our allies in Israel were informed of the breach of protocol (exactly what they had been warned against, in fact), and the world is now less safe. Since Trump is only the latest member of his gang to try to cover up a meeting with the Russian spy he blabbed to, it might be the Russians who leaked this info. It might be almost anyone because no White House in history has been more of an oozing and pustulent source of leaks. Did you miss the part about how CNN and others who Know what Trump said did NOT reveal the parts that intelligence officials went into overdrive to cover up lest they be spread even more widely? What has been published in the US so far is MUCH less than what our enemies now know. Careful about throwing around terms like "high treason," buster. Also, notice the way "Frederick" retells the story. The story is that we have more and deeper intelligence ties with Israel than with any other country. And they have humans inside ISIS risking their lives. These people found out something that Israel shared with the intel agencies and Trumb shot off his mouth and his braggadoccio may have gotten people killed, may have interfered with the US getting vital intelligence. The info came to us with the specific standard operating procedure that it would not be passed to any other country without permission. No permission was asked or given. The immediate Trumpery denials were carefully worded to deny that he did stuff that news stories did not pretend ever happened. Not sure what anonymous sources you are thinking about, but stories from multiple news organizations citing multiple separate sources, have reported what the president now claims he had every right to blurt. A little late to be peddling "he did not do anything." That ship has already sailed. Now the story is, "Yeah, I did it. So what?" Totally apart from attempting to piss off citizens who do not agree with your version of this breaking story, do you have any concern whatever that the overheard screaming from Bannon, Spicer, and others, might indicate a problem? The moment even a brain-addled tantrum thrower says something if that malevolent child is president, those former secrets, if they were secrets, are automagically unclassified. And he can fire people, too. So what? He can also tweet the nuclear codes, but that does not mean it is right, however lawful. Sure, government officials chat with each other all the time to clarify, negotiate, threaten, and so on. But when superduper double secret Codeword intel is involved, there are procedures, and in this case they involve a mandatory request for permission first. And ANYTHING shared with enemies of the US, specifically with Russia, has a host of long-standing protocols, procedures, check and doublecheck lists of things to be sure off before word one. NONE of this stuff happened. And you think that is a Good Thing? I suppose you also think Trump's upcoming lecture on Islam is just what will make the Saudis out BFFs, right? These days, brain dead nihilists chant "Russia is our friend! Russia is our friend!" to show how patriotic they are. Take a look at your fellow patriots and stfu: https://twitter.com/craftypanda/status/863564616026263555 [image: 102588_KISS%20Putin-Trump.jpg]

I can't believe Agent Orange began all of this himself. It was a self-inflicted wound and it's now seriously infected. The memo(s) will hopefully put everything into perspective surrounding the firing of Comey and may prove Agent Orange obstructed justice. I will be front and center in front of the TV with my partner, my wine and my popcorn. Don't wanna jinx it but what the hell  :cheers:

Public Policy Polling is a U.S. Democratic polling firm based in Raleigh, North Carolina. PPP was founded in 2001 by businessman Dean Debnam, the firm's current president and chief executive officer. Seems legit…

Nothing better for the neofascist brigade than trying to piss off Democrats, starting with name calling. Comey is not in trouble. He has, in fact, nothing to lose but his reputation, whatever you think that might be worth at this point. Please point out where the fired FBI head has accused the infantile POTUS of obstruction. He has made a record of a conversation, maybe of many conversations, with the marmalade Moussellini. Accusations are another matter. Conclusions are another matter. He made a record and kept on keeping on doing his job. As posted today in a variety of ways by my very own self, Comey is much admired and trusted by the FBI and has been for years. He has made many mistakes, but no one who knows him or who has worked with him thinks he is other than a perfect and an upright man. Buy-Bull believers will recognize the reference. He keeps records. When pressure is applied, he writes it all down and passes it around so there is a contemporary record. He could have spoken out and resigned, thus allowing Il Douche to get away with a cover-up, but instead he kept on with the intensified probe he was conducting and telling Congress about on a frequent basis, and made particular efforts to make sure that no one actively investigating the ruble-rouser got even a hint of pressure. Evidence suggests Trump was laundering money for Russian criminals to enrich himself and family. And that he and manymany others were colluding with Putin et Cie. to get those inconvenient Obama sanctions lifted so they can all exploit billions and billions of petrobucks currently barred because Putin was (and still is) actively subverting the US government and its Weakest Link. He has been mobbed up for decades as part and parcel of his real estate ventures, which sometimes (cf Turkey) even he has said compromise his independence. He has allowed a paid foreign agent access to top level US secrets even after knowing – because he was specifically told repeatedly, even by his own team-- the danger. Meanwhile, the transition team was running around with confidential documents and taking them out of safe places as if they were so many Tinker Toys. He is on the record saying that you cannot deal with some of the countries making him rich unless you pay bribes. If he or his agencies paid bribes, he is personally and specifically guilty of a crime. He demanded Comey swear fealty to him, but was thwarted. He demanded Comey return to Hillary e-mails and seek out leakers (hint: since everyone hates him, everyone leaks from every pore of this out of control maladministration). He suggested reporters should be locked up. Attacking the press with the kind of "useful idiots" spreading his lies on this site, attacking independent courts, independent investigators, and most major US allies (but not Russia! not a single negative word about Russia!) still does not make the bastard competent or lift his poisonous popularity numbers. Up next: financial collapse, because we already have "responsible" Republicans and Trump minions calling for a one-party shut down of the government they hate and have no ability whatever to operate as a governing mechanism. The Wall St. Journal today says tax "reform" now seems off the pig party agenda. Thanks, Obama. Do not be distracted by trolls. They may chortle that Comey is dead meat, but someone said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Today it has set Chelsea Manning free. And a remarkable array of "conservative" opinion spouters are jumping ship, from Andrew Sullivan (HIV+ barebacker) to George Fucking Will, and even elected politicians watching their career evaporate in a puff of smoke as flames leap higher. [image: 102586_Net%20Approval%20Ratings.jpg]

Like just watch TV or read the news or talk to people, and you have politics all day. It's just part of life. Is it not ok for us to make fun of it or comment? I get it, it doesn't fit your narrative, so now it's not ok because you don't like the President. It's ok when Saturday Night Live is doing it, but not when one of your supposed leaders are being ridiculed. It's kind of hypocritical, but that's expected…

@strangeloop: Ridiculous double standard and barefaced too. I'm curious as to how taking offense to what is obviously a racist insult and not taking offense to what is obviously not a racist insult is a "double standard?"

I don't feel like this response, or my original input, is attacking anyone, or judging. So please, calm down; I was just trying to be part of a conversation by giving thoughts about historical context. Clearly you read more into my post than was my intent.

Except that I only know of 1 religion where it's the death penalty for leaving it. Damn, I'm an islamaphobe now.  :crazy2:

Both. Good or bad, it's part of history. Just as racism has come to be, and will continue being so as long as there are those teaching it…and anyone there to listen to the crap, carrying on the ugly practice. (Regarding the images…just examples in some quick random grabs from the internet...none I necessarily have an opinion about, although a couple were amusing.) [image: 102469_index.jpg] [image: 102471_index%20t.jpg] [image: 102473_tumblr_nqd8zpxbd31r3yi0jo1_500.jpg] [image: 102475_rebel-flag-rainbow-meaning.jpg] [image: 102477_rainbow-confederate-flag-1393706324.jpg]

The EU is total crap. The EU talks the "good talk" but they are full of shit.    They whine about food waste, but EU rules on the sale of food requires massive food waste. The UK had better workers' rights before the EU mandated their weaker workers' rights. The EU is extremely weak on gay rights, while the UK i very strong on gay rights. Merkel controls the EU's immigration policy. The EU needs to die.

Dat privilege… :cry2:

Frederick, we get it.  You hate liberals (and I assume yourself).  Is there any particular reason you don't post anything positive about conservatives or the Republican party?  Surely given your deep disdain for the left you must have lots off great things to share with us about the right.  Right?

I thought the constant criticism of presidents, past and present is free speech? I always understood that the reason free speech even exists is so people can criticise the president and no repercussions occur The internet makes it a bit of a mess, I have to say, but all presidents have faced criticism and that is part of the US system. if we apply what you want to all presidents then even some things here said about Obama & Trump would be illegal!

Fake News :cheers:

Margaret Thatcher definitely. Not a fan of everything she said and did but you cannot deny how effective and successful she was as a politician and leader. Have to agree with Frederick a bit though, I can't think of many others outside of Thatcher and maybe Ann Richards like some others have said. Not many effective women politicians and leaders. There are many reasons for this but it's true nonetheless.