Occam's Razor needs to come back in vogue.

You can dismiss TerrorAlarm dot org as nobody important, but for 24 hours praise of Wagner was suddenly all over libs & neocons... types who fly Ukraine flags.

I do dismiss them, and whatever other fringe groups you follow. I only pay attention to legitimate journalists and experts and no one was cheering on Wagner. It was much more of a "wtf" day and a half.

I only mentioned it because you said the counteroffensive was a failure, or whatever. I pointed out, it's not over.

I do not pretend to know what the outcome of this conflict is going to be. We are all just sitting here hoping that Putin swallows a gun in the bunker soon. I do not doubt that there are fascists in Ukraine, just as there are in every country including a portion of the Republican party in the US. But they don't represent the majority of Ukrainians who simply want to live in a liberal European democracy free from Russian kleptocracy. There are a lot of Russians that want the same. Putin blowing his brains out would be a good first step. It may not happen, but it is my sincere hope. I am not a war monger by a LONG shot. But Putin was never interested in negotiating anything that wouldn't have kept Ukraine like Belarus. It has nothing to do with ideology. It's about keeping the Russian mafia and thieving oligarchs in charge. This is why certain Republicans love him so much; they have the same playbook. They pretend to care about patriotism, religion, and cultural issues, so there ignorant working class voters will continue to keep them in power and let them rob them blind.

This is why I find it just comical that you refer to the Democrats, who push for social justice, unions, raising minimum wage, universal health care, etc. as "an evil regime."

Brainwashing really works.

@Spintendo Shall I go on?

It was jaroonn who mentioned the "Wagner party", not me. Follow the thread more closely pls.

HAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahaha

For starters:

@Spintendo Shall I go on?

You can dismiss TerrorAlarm dot org as nobody important, but for 24 hours praise of Wagner was suddenly all over libs & neocons... types who fly Ukraine flags.

After 24 hours they were like delete-delete-delete

Btw.... Wagner is a bunch of white supremacists flaunting Nazi symbols....

But then again, Ukraine forces are even worse, even more so...............

as I keep saying, Orcs vs Orcs.

(an expression - they all human, redeemable, deaths sad)

Biden Regime withheld key info - spread misinfo, opposite of what Biden Regime already knew - mentally-tortured families & risked lives.

That much is factual.

Now as to motive: I speculated. But the alternative is to think they're utterly stupid.

Well they are. So ya I speculated as to motive.... ....based on long observation ie. well-educated guess.

Biden Regime been corrupt crooks, lowest of low, in everything else before now... lowest possible motive always likeliest, with them.

CTs have little to no actual evidence, at the time, if ever.

We didn't know that the US government was putting radiation into the ice cream of kids getting their tonsils out. Thanks to Clinton, we do now. It was deemed a wild CT claim up til that point.

DDT was put in drinking water.

Contrails are based in fact. Thanks again to Bill, we know the US government used to spray chemicals over areas to test on humans and livestock.

Harold Wilson spent 30 years as an insane CTer because of his claims that MI5 and MI6 actively tried to take his government down. Now it's proven fact. There was no evidence until they decided to come clean 30 years later.

How long did it take for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to become fact? 70+ years.

@blablarg18 It seems the better argument to be made would be how the whole world wasted its energies focusing on the plight of five rich people being lost at sea while totally ignoring the plight of 700 poor people who died when their ship capsized off the coast of Greece.

Would you be sad if a boat full of Russians capsized, killing 700 of them while on their way to Ukraine?

About 15 years ago, I did an extremely long post on conspiracy theories that turned out to be true.

Many of the US ones were proven true thanks to Bill Clinton declassifying a ton of documents. People like you can no longer label these CTs because they are official history.

What caused me to do the post about this was MI5 and MI6 (UK versions of the FBI and CIA) admitted that they actively worked to take down the Wilson government. Originally, Wilson thought it was the Russians, but after a fairly short time, he realized it was his own MI5 and MI6 that was doing it. When he said this, they leaked that he was a crazy CTer.

We know that the Biden admin was working with big tech to ban people for posting MALINFORMATION, in other words, information that is true, but harmful to their agenda. This came to light thanks to Elon Musk buying Twitter that we found this out, otherwise people like you would still be calling it a CT.

Hunter's laptop was a CT, but now it's fact. This is true with countless things that have happened over the last several years.

The same 51 "intel experts" lied about RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA publicly, while saying the complete opposite in the Shitty Schiff's secret bunker hearings. The same 51 also lied about Hunter's laptop. These went from CTs by the right to proven fact.

Covid went from a lab leak CT to basically proven fact.

Fauci funding GoF at Wuhan used to be a CT, but his own agency outed that as fact.

So they detected the implosion but didn't say anything until an ROV was sent down which spotted the debris on the floor, confirming the earlier implosion. Meanwhile other assets continued the above water visual/audio search until the debris was spotted. That seems like a pretty efficient use of time to me.

Facts like that are irrelevant to conspiracy theorists of the world. Remember, we are not dealing with intelligent life forms here

But then 24 hours, The Party told u Wagner are freedom fighters.

This is the kind of crap I'm talking about. You are so drenched in conspiracy theory that each one of your "conclusions" is more ridiculous than the last.

There is no "Party." No one has called Wagner "freedom fighters" by a LONG shot. Talk about mental gymnastics?

You are tediously predictable. Everything that happens is an evil liberal plot. Seriously, dude. Stop kidding yourself. You need a different hobby.

1. USA detected sound just like an implosion

Titan found -DIRECTLY BELOW- location ie. debris sink straight down (like original Titanic).

Known location (floor below) was FIRST PLACE TO LOOK.

So they detected the implosion but didn't say anything until an ROV was sent down which spotted the debris on the floor, confirming the earlier implosion. Meanwhile other assets continued the above water visual/audio search until the debris was spotted. That seems like a pretty efficient use of time to me.

PS. so how that "Wagner coup" going?

Only 48 hours ago, Party told u Wagner are criminals & mercenaries. (Fairly true - Ukraine conflict is Evil vs Evil)

But then 24 hours, The Party told u Wagner are freedom fighters.

What they now? Where are yall Outer Party members, today?

Keep us filled in on ur gymnastics & contortions.

I know it affects who u'll face on Bakhmut front lines.

Try some facts. They're chewy.

Also, Churchill - Keep us posted on your progress 2 front lines. Good luck there.

https://twitter.com/bfcarlson/status/1672597973836988421

1. USA detected sound just like an implosion
2. loss of Titan comms
3. loss of Titan transponder (separate system)

Happened SAME INSTANT with Titan at KNOWN LOCATION.

Titan found -DIRECTLY BELOW- location ie. debris sink straight down (like original Titanic).

Known location (floor below) was FIRST PLACE TO LOOK.

Biden Regime KNEW ALL ALONG.

Could have looked there first, found wreck Monday at latest. (Maybe they did?)

Instead, hiding it 4 days & have search teams search widely over big dangerous waters with false hope, Biden Regime RISKED MORE LIVES.

As well as torturing families.

& knowingly spread MISINFORMATION - things they knew false.

But hey, guess if @jaroonn blind & lame enough in other discussions to support Ukraine's literal-Nazi battalions, while discounting & denying Israel mediation effort just because Israel, then @jaroonn blind & lame enough to justify all kind of Regime abuses.

Each one of those stories (and more!) made the news this week. The "failed" counteroffensive is in early days and has become even more interesting with the Wagner wrench thrown in. You do know that wars are not like a video games, right? They are not decided in a matter of hours.

Perhaps the news of the possible implosion wasn't released because some people like to have all the facts rather than jump to conclusions?

You should try that.

https://humanevents.com/2023/06/23/full-timeline-here-is-what-the-biden-admin-said-publicly-about-the-missing-sub-compared-to-when-they-learned-titan-was-lost