<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[&#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27;]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Dale Cooper</p>
<p dir="auto">Since the app Grindr made its debut, I have been troubled by a trend I've noticed. Let me come out and say that I am by no means unfamiliar with Internet-enabled cruising and the kinds of human interaction they bring about. What I have been confronted with, though, on a continual enough basis to make it undeniably some sort of social phenomenon, is the (at times) overwhelming presence of douchebaggery on the app. There's a veritable epidemic of it.</p>
<p dir="auto">I am not the only person to think this is the case. The link is instructive in explaining exactly what makes one a douche, at least in my opinion and that of the site's readership. It takes the form of asking, in the profile that is broadcast, that certain types of people should not contact the profile owner if they are:</p>
<p dir="auto">Too short, or too tall ("over 5'7" and under 6'1"), Asian ("not into rice," "gook free zone"), fat ("175lbs or less"), fem ("no broken wrists," "masculinity is not subjective"), black ("no chocolate," "All blacks, keep moving cuz I ain't interested unless u can prove not all blacks are the exact same mkay?"), not as hot as the profile owner, Latino, ugly, hairy, old ("no older than 30"), closeted, uncloseted, bisexual, not bisexual, not a college guy, not a jock, a fag, into the scene, a ginger, Catholic, Republican, not "musc," not "prof," not "VGL."</p>
<p dir="auto">The takeaway from these attempts at filtering contact for me is the incredible degree of specificity that some Grindr users want in the types of other human beings saying "sup" to them. There is also the suggestion that the speech act itself could be some form of violation. Of particular note is the phrase "not into," taken to mean not sexually interested in.</p>
<p dir="auto">It is not the fact that some people are "not into" certain types of other people that perplexes me. It is instead the incredible brazenness with which people will associate pejorative views of others with their publicly visible identity. Most troubling is the ease with which some profiles will confess extreme prejudice or use racist epithets, somehow made allowable as a language of sexual attraction or personal preference.</p>
<p dir="auto">The larger question is whether this phenomenon is specific to the app, or if it just finds its most easily seen form in Grindr. Unfortunately and of course it is the latter. There is something about the blend of social-media publicity and a paradoxical pretension to anonymity fostered by the Internet that is enabling of things like trolling.</p>
<p dir="auto">Yet the things placed on these profiles would not be readily said at the outset of conversation or, arguably, read of a person. One possible explanation may be that, before lines of code and satellites enabled it, these interactions had to take place where physical gay bodies gathered. Grindr delivers heads and torsos in the space of a smartphone screen. In an interesting twist, Grindr is still grounded in physical location, since it takes advantage of GPS. It allows bodies of all types to congregate without the usual geographic and social barriers, the placement and accessibility of gay spaces being governed by the usual suspects of history, race and class just like everything else.</p>
<p dir="auto">Those barriers to access have been altered by technology. That these activities have become dependent on smartphones underlines a new-ish emphasis on the class difference – smartphones and data plans do not come cheap. Ostensibly, though, any body is capable of getting a smart phone and getting on the app, given the right amount of capital. Grindr, for better or worse, is now the type of site where gay identification can take place, allowing different generations, classes, races, and orientations to project their bodies onto the Grindr grid and have a look.</p>
<p dir="auto">It relieves users of most of the affective labor of cruising, that is, bodies coming into physical proximity. However, it does bring all types of people's bodies together, boxed off with the thinnest margin of black pixels to separate one from the other. I believe that this is the fundamental source from which douchebaggery springs. Grindr radically reorients queer bodies and social mores by having a low threshold for access, the relative protection of semi-private usage, and an organization based on proximity. There is the potential for a lot of very different-looking bodies "touching." Differences that one are not used to interacting with could be right next door.</p>
<p dir="auto">The class basis of Grindr will begin to erode when the relative novelty of current smart phone technology thins and they become more affordable. As access increases, more and more different-looking people will be readily visible on Grindr, but the customs and suppressions determing which bodies congregate in which spaces that we're accustomed to is not performed. Some users feel the need to perform this policing themselves.</p>
<p dir="auto">Some of the things people are "into" on Grindr are crude, demeaning, or ignorant. As the Internet continues to democratize, more and more types of bodies will have access. We have already seen the beginning splinters of market products for GPS-enabled cruising: Scruff is an alternative gathering space for those who find Grindr offputting. While I understand the potential desirability of these services (and think Grindr could use some serious competition), I worry that it just mimicks the same damaging social structures of "real life" interaction, and that we are losing queerness as a unifying identity across difference.</p>
<p dir="auto">The user agreement for Grindr stipulates that no "offensive" materials be included in a profile; violation is supposed to lead to profiles being disabled. Far more often "offensive" is taken to mean pornographic, rather than what I would consider the far more toxic blatant racism. So I wonder if people are thinking about how we are interacting with one another on Grindr. The "block" button is is great but seductive: it lets users kick others out of their own personal Grindr neighborhoods. It does nothing to add to a broader discussion about what the "Grindr community" (as the company that runs the program calls it) could find offensive, should find offensive, or should stop.</p>
<p dir="auto">The novelty of Grindr's meeting space allows for a community-developed praxis. What speech is allowable as expression of sexual preference in this new queer space? Use that question as a conversation starter if you're out of torso compliments. Douchebaggery, on the other hand, does advertise quite handily which users I myself would be wasting time saying "sup" to.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/topic/6099/no-fats-or-fems</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2026 14:32:13 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://community.gaytor.rent/topic/6099.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:07:36 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Sat, 26 Sep 2015 18:55:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I don't know why people get so worked up over this.</p>
<p dir="auto">Those on Grindr are well known to be the nastiest Queens around to be avoided.</p>
<p dir="auto">For bears, we have Scruff and Growlr.<br />
For oldies, we have DaddyHunt and Mr. X.<br />
For Asians, we have 9Monsters and Jack'd.<br />
I qualify for all of the above  :mob:</p>
<p dir="auto">So who cares about those nasty Queens of Grindr?<br />
If sex is what you are looking for, you get more than enough to keep your bum toasty for the whole week. :anal2:</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/147274</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/147274</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[bibob]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2015 18:55:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:29:18 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/bluehue" aria-label="Profile: bluehue">@<bdi>bluehue</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">I find it's easier, more polite, and ultimately more effective to just use positive language.</p>
<p dir="auto">No fat or fems = Preference given to fit, healthy, and manly.</p>
<p dir="auto">I personally avoid the people who use excessive negative exclusionary language.</p>
<p dir="auto">But hey, I'm single. What do I know about meeting nice guys…  <img src="https://community.gaytor.rent/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/apple/1f615.png?v=57695cee877" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-apple emoji--confused" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":-\" alt="😕" /></p>
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]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/147187</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/147187</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[deflorare]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:29:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:35:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I don't know how to answer to this thread… I'm very picky so, I'm probably the first who will write "not interested in XXX", but Grindr as many other sites is not used at the same way by all people... for example these "assholes" maybe see Grindr only as a way to have some sexual encounter. Maybe they are wrong, but it's clear that their aim is not chatting... so why bother to chat with them?<br />
If some trans ask me to meet me or start sex-talking with me (not talking about trans rights or similar, but actual sex-talking, ok?) and I wrote I'm not interested, this is annoying.</p>
<p dir="auto">Different is "black people/trans/fat/etc... keep away"... this is rather racist, because you are saying you don't want even that they look at your photos or profile and this is very rude... but maybe they don't even understand what they wrote... written language lacks the depth of spoken language and we often write things without thinking on them very much...</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/147178</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/147178</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Aleedinver]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:35:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:05:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">It's fine to have your own preferences.</p>
<p dir="auto">It's not fine to be an asshole about them.</p>
<p dir="auto">End of story.</p>
<p dir="auto">Though honestly grindr is pretty much a leaky trashbag, so if you're looking there and expecting anyone much, you're setting yourself up for disappointment from the get-go.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/147174</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/147174</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[moonmonday]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:05:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:15:29 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">:rotfl:</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114772</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114772</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nordicblue]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:15:29 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Mon, 22 Dec 2014 07:50:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I have that problem sometimes. When I do have it. I just stop using it for a while. It worked again after that. Hope that help…</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114563</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114563</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[smoothiecub]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 07:50:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Mon, 22 Dec 2014 06:38:54 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Well, it comes back to the individual's type/preference. It's just I prefer to not use such negative language to express my preference. I would just say "same race/faith is preferred".</p>
<p dir="auto">And I still get tons of messages from those who I said weren't my type. But I can ignore them. Some people maybe are just too exhausted getting too much messages because they are too hot for society's standard. LOL.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114559</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114559</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[chatnoire]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 06:38:54 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Sun, 21 Dec 2014 13:15:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/nordicblue" aria-label="Profile: nordicblue">@<bdi>nordicblue</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/phillo" aria-label="Profile: phillo">@<bdi>phillo</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">Oh there's definitely a dismissive, hateful undertone to the wording of many profiles I read. I tend to be into guys 25-45 and my various profiles state that and I don't need to put "ABSOLUTELY NOT INTO GUYS OVER 50" though I get messages from older men a lot. I'm wondering if the nastiness of certain profiles reflects a more widespread degradation in our basic cultural civility? Are the people who put "no fats/no fems" in their profile the same people who will cut you off in traffic, talk on a cell phone while at a register and fail to hold open a door?</p>
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<p dir="auto">That's definitely a non-sequitur there. There is nothing wrong with not liking fat people or effeminate men.  In addition to that, we went from not liking fat or effeminate people to saying they cut you off as if only masculine gay guys don't hold the door open.  There are plenty of raging queens who are judgemental and will behave uncivilized.  I prefer someone who says what they feel instead of hiding behind a veil of political correctness.</p>
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<p dir="auto">I never said there was anything wrong with preferring in shape and masculine men.  I'm not sure what's illogical about assuming a profile written like this - "<strong>NO</strong> FAT guys, OLD guys, or FEMS. DON'T BOTHER" - belongs to kind of an asshole. I didn't do a study or have research to back it up but it's not crazy talk. It's very clear and easy to understand a profile worded like this - "If interested please be skinny to muscular, under 35 and masculine" - do you see the difference?</p>
<p dir="auto">Also, I wasn't insulting masculine men I was suggesting that the type of people (masc, fem, white, black, fat, skinny) who write negative profiles might just generally be assholes.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114475</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114475</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[phillo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2014 13:15:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Sat, 20 Dec 2014 20:03:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/phillo" aria-label="Profile: phillo">@<bdi>phillo</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">Oh there's definitely a dismissive, hateful undertone to the wording of many profiles I read. I tend to be into guys 25-45 and my various profiles state that and I don't need to put "ABSOLUTELY NOT INTO GUYS OVER 50" though I get messages from older men a lot. I'm wondering if the nastiness of certain profiles reflects a more widespread degradation in our basic cultural civility? Are the people who put "no fats/no fems" in their profile the same people who will cut you off in traffic, talk on a cell phone while at a register and fail to hold open a door?</p>
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<p dir="auto">That's definitely a non-sequitur there. There is nothing wrong with not liking fat people or effeminate men.  In addition to that, we went from not liking fat or effeminate people to saying they cut you off as if only masculine gay guys don't hold the door open.  There are plenty of raging queens who are judgemental and will behave uncivilized.  I prefer someone who says what they feel instead of hiding behind a veil of political correctness.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114407</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114407</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nordicblue]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2014 20:03:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:45:18 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">It's all about personal tastes, but it doesnt justifies the use of offensie terms.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114384</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114384</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[YORCH32]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:45:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:30:28 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Oh there's definitely a dismissive, hateful undertone to the wording of many profiles I read. I tend to be into guys 25-45 and my various profiles state that and I don't need to put "ABSOLUTELY NOT INTO GUYS OVER 50" though I get messages from older men a lot. I'm wondering if the nastiness of certain profiles reflects a more widespread degradation in our basic cultural civility? Are the people who put "no fats/no fems" in their profile the same people who will cut you off in traffic, talk on a cell phone while at a register and fail to hold open a door?</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114381</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/114381</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[phillo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:30:28 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:46:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">If you are not attracted to another race, that does not make you racist.  In fact the amount of interracial marriages is extremely according to the U.S. Census Bureau.<br />
According to this table no one really likes marrying outside of their race that much.</p>
<p dir="auto">|  | <strong>White Wife</strong> | <strong>Black Wife</strong> | <strong>Asian Wife</strong> | <strong>Other Wife</strong> |<br />
| <strong>White Husband</strong> | 50,410,000 | 168,000 | 529,000 | 487,000 |<br />
| <strong>Black Husband</strong> | 390,000 | 4,072,000 | 39,000 | 66,000 |<br />
| <strong>Asian Husband</strong> | 219,000 | 9,000 | 2,855,000 | 28,000 |<br />
| <strong>Other Husband</strong> | 488,000 | 18,000 | 37,000 | 268,000 |</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113948</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113948</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nordicblue]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:46:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:18:02 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/raphjd" aria-label="Profile: raphjd">@<bdi>raphjd</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">Everyone has their "type" and there is nothing wrong with it.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Nothing wrong with it at all. It just depends on how a person goes about defining what he likes or doesn't like that is wrong. Just like the guys that only go off the photos and don't read the profile</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113897</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113897</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[LEVI]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:18:02 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:11:57 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">It is on any site that men use. The guys are just trying to say what are their interests and likes and what turns them off. One day people might grow up and accept others for who they are and not what they look like.</p>
<p dir="auto">Have a friend on A4A that contacted someone and just said that he enjoyed the others profile. The guy responded back that that he should not have contacted him because my friend is black and the guy was white. That kind of attitude has no place in the world</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113896</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113896</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[LEVI]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:11:57 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:37:00 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">HMM, I got negative rep for my previous comment.</p>
<p dir="auto">To the people that gave me negative rep, do you download every video here or do you choose which ones you want?  Answer carefully.</p>
<p dir="auto">I'm sorry, but I would commit suicide if I had to live with Nathan Lane's character in The Birdcage.</p>
<p dir="auto">Also, why should I be forced to commit myself  to someone I don't find attractive?  Or I find their morals disgusting?  Or whatever?</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113878</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113878</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[raphjd]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:37:00 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Fri, 12 Dec 2014 05:48:56 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/hexdj" aria-label="Profile: hexdj">@<bdi>hexdj</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">It's funny how I often hear people complain about others that say "not fats or fems" but when you ask them how they feel about older guys they have no issue saying they aren't the least bit interested. It's a double standard and basically saying "I should be accepted but only by those who I am willing to accept".</p>
<p dir="auto">Same goes if someone says they like only Hung men, someone will quickly say "Size Queen", but nobody will criticize you if you say you only like round butts.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Couldn't have said it better. Honestly, i've always been straight (am kinda Bi now <img src="https://community.gaytor.rent/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/apple/1f615.png?v=57695cee877" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-apple emoji--confused" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":/" alt="😕" /> haha) and I prefer women still - but it's true that people are blinded by their own opinions so much that they can't understand the irony of what they've said. It's a little ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to their own preferences but saying (no femmes etc) and still believing your opinion of (i like hung men only) isn't a double standard - is beyond absurd.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113868</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113868</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Munyuc]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2014 05:48:56 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:30:52 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/trukr" aria-label="Profile: trukr">@<bdi>trukr</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/trukr" aria-label="Profile: trukr">@<bdi>trukr</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">I agree, especially with the part about it taking more balls to be fem.</p>
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<p dir="auto">I does not take balls to act like a girl.  Maybe they should grow a pair.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113848</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113848</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nordicblue]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:30:52 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:01:42 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/raphjd" aria-label="Profile: raphjd">@<bdi>raphjd</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">Everyone has their "type" and there is nothing wrong with it.</p>
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<p dir="auto">I totally agree with you on that!! If you don't fit into a persons type, then move around and find someone else. There is far too many gay men out there to get upset about a persons preference. I do however feel that people should be more open to try new things. But I can't be upset if someone isn't attracted to me. If you say no blacks, then you just miss out on all this chocolate goodness. LBVS!!</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113847</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113847</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[rickydrexel]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:01:42 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:22:39 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">If everyone is allowed to have their preferences, then there is nothing wrong with saying "no fats or fems".</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113711</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113711</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nordicblue]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:22:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:15:45 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Everyone has their "type" and there is nothing wrong with it.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113709</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113709</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[raphjd]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:15:45 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:17:18 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">It's funny how I often hear people complain about others that say "not fats or fems" but when you ask them how they feel about older guys they have no issue saying they aren't the least bit interested. It's a double standard and basically saying "I should be accepted but only by those who I am willing to accept".</p>
<p dir="auto">Same goes if someone says they like only Hung men, someone will quickly say "Size Queen", but nobody will criticize you if you say you only like round butts.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113634</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/113634</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[hexdj]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:17:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:31:26 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/trukr" aria-label="Profile: trukr">@<bdi>trukr</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">Non-white LGBT people have a special place in my heart too. Racism still exists, and being gay can be tough enough as is. It's the fems, trans-people, and drag queens that fought, and still fight, hardest for our rights. They deserve respect! I love ALL of my LGBT people!  :love:</p>
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<p dir="auto">:true: Just focus on loving instead of hating <img src="https://community.gaytor.rent/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/apple/1f603.png?v=57695cee877" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-apple emoji--smiley" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title="=)" alt="😃" />  :bravo:</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/83341</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/83341</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[myrea]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:31:26 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:51:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/bluehue" aria-label="Profile: bluehue">@<bdi>bluehue</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">I find it's easier, more polite, and ultimately more effective to just use positive language.</p>
<p dir="auto">No fat or fems = Preference given to fit, healthy, and manly.</p>
<p dir="auto">I personally avoid the people who use excessive negative exclusionary language.</p>
<p dir="auto">But hey, I'm single. What do I know about meeting nice guys…  <img src="https://community.gaytor.rent/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/apple/1f615.png?v=57695cee877" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-apple emoji--confused" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":-\" alt="😕" /></p>
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<p dir="auto">That's what's thinking and gonna post. <img src="https://community.gaytor.rent/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/apple/1f642.png?v=57695cee877" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-apple emoji--slightly_smiling_face" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":)" alt="🙂" /><br />
Why don't people just list their preferences? It's a big enough hint that way as well…</p>
<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/myrea" aria-label="Profile: myrea">@<bdi>myrea</bdi></a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">I always find ironic how the community stigmatizes itself, straight looking gay men became a fad here too, and well I always laugh when they call fems as if they were inferior, because from where I am standing; first a hetero will always find those  same straight looking gays effeminated because yes some try to hide their flamboyance and well it keeps coming out ahaha, and second there is the stereotype, second it takes much more balls to be a fem gay man than a macho one… and well we have the age gap issue too, and let's be real noone is as cruel to a gay has another gay, looks for most are all that matter and then they wonder why their relations last 3 months if that.</p>
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<p dir="auto">I agree, especially with the part about it taking more balls to be fem. People don't realize just how hard life can be for fem guys, and also that they're just being who they are naturally. My BF has a friend he has known since childhood who is <em>straight</em> but acts a bit fem and has fem mannerisms, it's just who he is. Someone at work tried to out me by starting a rumor. It must have been a good one and believable because I had to fend off some 50+ guys. The times I stuck up for myself in an aggressive way, the other person backed down. There was jaw dropping and stuttering and no more problems from them. <img src="https://community.gaytor.rent/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/apple/1f642.png?v=57695cee877" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-apple emoji--slightly_smiling_face" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":)" alt="🙂" /> Not the place to be out sadly. My co-workers tried to intimidate, threaten, and harass me so I'd leave. I'm still working there and they can all shove it up their butts! Prior to that, and still outside of work, people assume I'm straight so I get to hear all the "hidden" bigotry and it's so annoying. That experience was the worst, but I'm glad it happened to me even though it's a big source of stress in my life. I've learned so much from it. Too many straight acting/macho gays are clueless. If they ever thought about what it would be like to have slurs shouted at them, or possibly be assaulted, for simply being themselves, maybe they'd have more compassion and be kinder to fem guys. They probably never think about, or know, how many times a day/week a fem guy might get hated on. Yep, life sure is easy when you can blend in go about your everyday life without dealing with bullshit from homophobes and bigots while hiding behind the veil of faux heterosexuality. Nothing "macho" about that. Non-white LGBT people have a special place in my heart too. Racism still exists, and being gay can be tough enough as is. It's the fems, trans-people, and drag queens that fought, and still fight, hardest for our rights. They deserve respect! I love ALL of my LGBT people!  :love:</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.gaytor.rent/post/83222</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.gaytor.rent/post/83222</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[trukr]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:51:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to &#x27;No Fats or Fems&#x27; on Sun, 11 Nov 2012 02:57:52 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">:true: and well said myrea  :hapgay:</p>
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