As we have repeatedly seen with Biden and Fauci, you can be fully vaxxed and still catch covid. That shows that the vaccine does not PREVENT you from getting it, as claimed by both of them.

Again, reduce is not PREVENT. They said it PREVENTS.

They all lied when they said PREVENTS. That is the argument being made here.

They never ever should have said PREVENTS, when that's not how the science works. It was an intentional lie, to mislead everyone.

Just because you are a liberal, doesn't give you the right to claim that "reduce" is the same as PREVENTS. Words have meanings and you people don't get to change them to suit your agenda du jour.

1. Vaccines are proven to reduce rates of infection. If you're not infected, OBVIOUSLY (to most), transmission has been prevented to you and from you. You are not a link in the chain of transmission. You HAVE protected your grandmother.

2. However, if you ARE infected, does being vaccinated reduce you ability to infect others? PROBABLY if it reduces the viral load, but it is basically unknown in the case of covid vaccines.

The doubt around 2 doesn't impact 1 AT ALL.

The idea that the rollout of vaccines didn't reduce transmission is obviously laughable.

Newsflash: The vaxx didn't & don't reduce transmission. The most highly vaxxed countries, people, areas, keep having the highest rates of new infection.

Quadruple-vaxxed Fauci & Biden themselves keep getting covid.

More than one hot young guy has told me "It's weird but 7-10 days after my last shot I came down with covid. Huh."

Covid is now a disease of the vaxxed. If you understood the first thing about the sciences of evolution, immunology, epitope coverage (broad vs. narrow), immune escape, immune imprinting, ADE or/and OAS, u'd see how that comes about.

Studies find negative protection ie. in the special case of a retrovirus changing constantly like HIV or covid, being highly vaxxed will increase your net vulnerability to new infection. Which is why more & more countries are backing off their vaxx coercion, these days.

P.S. I love your conspiracy theory, Shami94.

Your conspiracy theory is that anyone who disagrees with you, anyone in a position to correct you WITH FACTS is out to deceive you & is conspiring (as you keep saying - conspiracy theory) to get you. Paranoid no?

The idea that the rollout of vaccines didn't reduce transmission is obviously laughable.

Thanks for that strawman.

"reduce" is not the same as "prevent"

Of course, "uninfected people" can't transmit the virus. Fucking DUH.

You clowns keep INTENTIONALLY confusing "prevents" with "reduces". The vaccine never ever prevented infection and/or spreading of the virus.

You liars claim PREVENTS, but when called out, you then claim you "prevents" actually means "reduces".

Prevents means that a vaccinated person can go into a room full of infected people and never get infected.

Clearly, you leftist clowns are once again guilty of the dictionary fallacy. You make up definitions to suit your needs/wants/agendas.

Stop the BS and actually argue what is being said.

They are not talking about the prevention of a vaccinated infected individual's capacity to transmit to a non-injected person but the FACT that vaccination reduces rates of infection and therefor transmission because obviously (to most but not to you), UNINFECTED PEOPLE CAN'T TRANSMIT THE VIRUS.

“Several studies have provided evidence that vaccines are effective at preventing infection,” it states, “Uninfected people cannot transmit; therefore, the vaccines are also effective at preventing transmission.”

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298

https://twitter.com/pfizer/status/1349421959222853633

With all the gaslighting & retconning lately, to cover up how people had been coerced to "STOP TRANSMISSION" and "GAIN HERD IMMUNITY", Pfizer shoulda deleted that one.

In case they do, an image: https://i0.wp.com/nonvenipacem.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/img_8424.jpg?resize=768%2C561&ssl=1

P.S. Note how Tricksy Pfizer protected herself legally. She merely flashes the phrases "STOP TRANSMISSION" and "GAIN HERD IMMUNITY" as "priorities", nothing more.

It was then up to Rachel Maddow (around minute 12 in your Tim Poole clip) and other bobbleheads, HR departments, government officials, doctors, etc., to tell people how the vaxx definitely prevent infection & spread and MUST be taken or else you're socially evil.

All lies.

You can watch the entire thing, or you can skip to about 11:45.

They (Biden, CDC, Fauci, etc) lied about catching and spreading covid.

Youtube Video

The main reason for covid vaccination was to prevent the collapse of the health system

Folks that behavior is called "retconning" - look it up.
Also "gaslighting" would fit.

The main reason for covid vaxx was always "TO STOP THE SPREAD". Over & over we were all told that.

"Do it for others. You don't want to be the one who kills Grandma, do you?"

Along with other mantras "SAFE AND EFFECTIVE" and "HERD IMMUNITY If only those regressive wicked anti-vaxxers would die or be jailed".

All lies. Lies.

Shami94 if you meant to state a hidden or underlying "main reason"..... ok that would be a fair game.... but I'd say the main reason was to line the pockets of Fauci and other NIH bureaucrats, who have indeed made million$$$ from their vaxx royalties - patents.

Reducing the viral load DOES NOT prevent the spread of the virus. It only lessens the spreading of it.

If I have 100 apples, I can give out a lot of apples. If I have 10 apples I can still give some out.

Wrong

Re: Influenza (virus) vaccines from the CDC.

"The CDC recommends that all healthcare professionals receive an annual flu vaccination to prevent transmission to patients."

https://www.nfid.org/infectious-diseases/fact-sheet-for-healthcare-professionals/

Vaccines can prevent transmission. It is a function of how effective the particular vaccine is in reducing the viral load.

It was never, ever a "looming question" since that is not how virus vaccines work.

Virus vaccines ALWAYS reduce the symptoms, duration, etc, etc.

They DO NOT prevent you from catching it and/or spreading it.

An honest virologist would have said that.

IF virus vaccines worked the way liberals claimed, then the flu and countless other things would be gone forever.

Here in Feb 2021 he said when asked that question that it's a "looming question" and that studies SUGGEST that covid vaccines might SLOW transmission.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/looming-question-fauci-says-studies-suggest-vaccines-slow-virus-spread-n1258142

The medical experts include the CDC, Fauci, and the like.

I posted about John Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic (can't remember which) who had a page about C-19 and the bit about the vaccine even said that if you get the vaccine you are immune from getting or spreading the virus. The thread is here, but I can't be bothered looking for it. Despite the definite wording, people tried twisting what was directly said.

BTW, if everything is above board, why did/still does Pfizer want to take 75 years to release the data on their C-19 vaccine?

I don't listen to "medical experts," "liberals," or Twitter.

I read the science.

But we were told, mostly by liberals, that if we got vaccinated we would not catch or spread the virus. Even the medical experts spouted this lie.

Why the lie?

Liberals refuse to explain the need for the lie.

The studies with primary endpoints are literally posted online. They were published in The New England Journal of Medicine. Anyone can read them. They were efficacy of the vaccine-against laboratory confirmed COVID-19 infection and safety.

It was your side that lied to everyone claiming that the vaccines prevented catching and/or spreading covid.

Thanks for trying though.

That it succeeded in doing and we didn't have the situation Italy had early in the pandemic where doctors had to decide who lived or died because of a shortage of ventilators and beds.

Vaccination clearly reduced to excess death rate and saved millions of lives.

Making stuff up, calling people names and bleating conspiracy theories into the echo chamber no longer constitute convincing arguments. The trump era is over.