@raphjd said in NYC Dem councilwoman is racist against latinos:

Check the other thread.

The one where you forgot to log out of your sock puppet geobear40 account and back into your raphjd account before responding to my post?

You are such a douche bag.

The one where you forgot to log out of your sock puppet geobear40 account and back into your raphjd account before responding to my post?

I am know ones sock puppet. We are two separate people.

Typical Liberal tack tick, attack the person to avoid the indefensible position

raphid is a bit extreme for me. I did some research on his claim for myself and decided to share it is all.

Check the other thread.

The one where you forgot to log out of your sock puppet geobear40 account and back into your raphjd account before responding to my post?

Check the other thread.

You called me an "asshole" for not wanting porn to be provided to kids as young as 6.

Still waiting on you to support your statement that the LGBTQ book was in elementary school libraries.

You called me an "asshole" for not wanting porn to be provided to kids as young as 6.

How are YOU making the forums more engaging and inviting?!

I think you meant res ipsa loquitur, i.e., "the thing speaks for itself."

ROFL - reminds me of:

Again, your utter disrespect with a hair trigger is worse than absurd, but self revealing, and knows no bounds. The Latin legal concept of "is repsa loquitor" has never been more appropriate.

I think you meant res ipsa loquitur, i.e., "the thing speaks for itself."

Yet, you voted for Biden and support everything the CCP/DNC put forward.

You also only like Repubs that are Pelosi's whores.

But go on, claim you are a conservative if that keeps your masters happy, even though everyone sees right through you.

@bi4smooth

But, you voted for Biden and support every CCP/DNC policy.

You are NOT a Reagan Repub. You are the complete opposite.

The only Repubs you like are Pelosi's whores.

@raphjd the mind reader strikes again... oops, forgot a word in there...

@raphjd the mind reader strikes out again...

I actually campaigned for Reagan in 1980 and 1984! Someplace in my garage, I still have much of that campaign stiuff: buttons, stickers, a scarf, maybe a hat...

I supported Bush in 88, but didn't campaign for him - I was too busy working!

But of course, @raphjd knows that better than me! he's had me under surveillance since 1980!

Yeah! That's the ticket!

But, you voted for Biden and support every CCP/DNC policy.

You are NOT a Reagan Repub. You are the complete opposite.

The only Repubs you like are Pelosi's whores.

@bi4smooth
You have drink the Kool-Aid.

I bet you are a RINO.

Yeah, I've been faking being a registered Republican since 1980, when I first voted for Reagan... been faking it in every election (presidential or otherwise), voting Republican probably 80-90% of the time? since then...

That sure sounds like a RINO to me!

(Sarcasm alert!)

I bet you are a RINO.

That said, I appreciate your wit and obvious level of intelligence. Maybe a bit less the sources you trust.

@bi4smooth Again, your utter disrespect with a hair trigger is worse than absurd, but self revealing, and knows no bounds. The Latin legal concept of "is repsa loquitor" has never been more appropriate.

The term conspiracy theory is excessively utilized, becoming not only cliché but annoying. One can easily dismiss any sort of opposing viewpoint as conspiracy theory, straight out of propagandist's playbooks.

Had the labor revolution where worker rights became protected by unions needed at the time were attempted today, mistreatment of workers would be conspiracy theory.

I'm sorry, but the idea that some secret cabal is secretly monopolizing and controlling the world from behind-the-scenes because they're obscenely rich is, to my mind, a text-book case of a conspiracy theory!

I understand your point... if you don't accept the premise of an underlying argument, almost any opposing viewpoint can be considered a conspiracy theory... but I didn't use that term "loosely"....

For example, I don't consider the "Trump lost because of vote fraud" to be a "conspiracy theory" - it's just a lie! They proposed an idea and suggested that they had proof... and that proof never materialized! Some (like Pillow-Man) continue to claim that they have NEW information that confirms "the Big Steal" - but it never materializes, and it's not a conspiracy - because they're not proposing that "it's secret" and "there's nothing you can DO about it" - they're using it to advertise their "traveling show" of ultra-right-wing propaganda tours... it's a LIE not a conspiracy theory!

The term conspiracy theory is excessively utilized, becoming not only cliché but annoying. One can easily dismiss any sort of opposing viewpoint as conspiracy theory, straight out of propagandist's playbooks.

Had the labor revolution where worker rights became protected by unions needed at the time were attempted today, mistreatment of workers would be conspiracy theory.

@geobear40 This has happened in other states, where postal workers admitted to collecting unclaimed ballots from mailboxes where obviously no one was collecting their mail (moved, vacant or otherwise).

Again, you make the ABSURD assumption that being in possession of a ballot makes that ballot valid!

During the 2020 election cycle, my daughter attended college in NC, moved to a new apartment (back in Fla) upon graduation, then moved again when her new roommates were "incompatible" with her... she had ballots (from Florida) mailed to her college mail address (because she forgot to change her address with the SoE), then requested a ballot be sent to her first apartment's address, then requested another ballot be sent to her eventual address... that's THREE ballots that the SoE has on record as having been sent to her...

But only 1 can be used to vote, and it has to have her signature on the back of the sealed envelope that it must be returned in....

• Returned in a different envelope invalidates the ballot
• Returned with no signature, or one that doesn't match, invalidates the ballot
• Returning multiples, in their proper envelopes, and with a valid signature is VOTE FRAUD, which is a felony in Fla.

These loose guns can swing any election. At the base of all election and voting are myriads of opportunity for fraud and manipulation.

Again, you assume that our election system is run by Elementary School dropouts who wouldn't know a case of voter fraud from a case of the measles!

I'll leave it to the reader as to WHO (the professional elections supervisors, or the gt.ru mouth-breather) is the "Elementary School dropout"...

The vote has become high theater. A distraction for we the masses while they negotiate back-room deals between the world's privileged and powerful... Bilderberger, G Summits, the Bohemian Grove. All seems to be a joke to them how they can celebrate the "abandonment of care" in strange rituals while deciding the fate of the world until the next gathering. Elections? Wow. If only they really worked the world could be a better place.

Conspiracy theorize much? You should consider joining the Church of Scientology! You'll love learning about Xenu!

These loose guns can swing any election. At the base of all election and voting are myriads of opportunity for fraud and manipulation.

The vote has become high theater. A distraction for we the masses while they negotiate back-room deals between the world's privileged and powerful... Bilderberger, G Summits, the Bohemian Grove. All seems to be a joke to them how they can celebrate the "abandonment of care" in strange rituals while deciding the fate of the world until the next gathering. Elections? Wow. If only they really worked the world could be a better place.

Not in CA where non-citizens can receive a Drivers License. When applying for said document at a computer terminal you only need to type yes to registration and you are set. There is no review or oversite.

I believe you have this wrong. It may well be that it's as easy as a check-box IF you have otherwise proven your ID (here in Fla, you have to produce ID to get your first DL - birth certificate, SS card, and proof of residency)... if you've already provided that info, it is just a checkbox - but if you haven't provided that documentation, the checkbox isn't there for you...

I'm not in CA, but I have a hard time believing they're letting just anyone vote, state-wide (I know San Francisco allows all residents - regardless of legality or citizenship - to
vote in municipal elections, but they're a bunch of fruits and nuts in SF already, so where's the surprise? They still have to limit voting to citizens for state and federal elections.

Not that it really matters in CA we are a one party state.

That is a ridiculous statement: we have 11 Republican MoC from CA! Maybe statewide the Dems have a significant majority, but the Republican Party is not without strengths in that state!

You also give the government bureaucracy more credit then they are do DUE. They use outdated computer systems manned by party flunkies who don't really follow the rule if it hurts their chosen candidate. There are over 3000 counties in the US each with their own little dictator to determine how the votes are counted. Where could it possibility go wrong.

Where you see a weakness (3000 different voting systems), I see a strength - you cannot "hack" 3000 unique voting systems! Yes, there are isolated issues - and there would be as well if every single one used the same equipment and the same rules!

The Carter-Baker report was also skeptical toward voting by mail. “While vote by mail appears to increase turnout for federal elections, there is no evidence that it significantly expands participation in federal elections,” the report stated. “Moreover, it raises concerns about privacy, as citizens voting at home may come under pressure to vote for certain candidates, and it increases the risk of fraud.” It noted that Oregon “appears to have avoided significant fraud” with measures like signature verification. “Vote by mail is, however, likely to increase the risks of fraud and of contested elections in other states, where the population is more mobile, where there is some history of troubled elections, or where the safeguards of ballot integrity are weaker.”
https://newrepublic.com/article/161666/carter-baker-commission-report-republican-attacks-election-reform

Who said anything about mail-in-ballots supposing to increase turnout? The rise in mail-in-ballots was primarily due to the fucking pandemic! You remember that, right? The 800,000 US residents who got together to prank Trump and his followers by diving head-first into gravesites?

The difference between a Trump win was 43,000 vote in three states. The popular vote mean nothing, we have the Electoral College so that a minority a states can't decide for the majority.

Yes, yes, you can cherry-pick votes to make it seem like Trump was "this close" to a victory - the Dems did that for 4 years about Hillary's loss in 2016... what did it get them? 4 years of Trump as President! What does it give Trump supporters now? Likely 4 years of Biden in the White House... but potentially WORSE: some of that time, HARRIS could be President! (Now for someone like me, THAT is TRULY scary!)

Not in CA where non-citizens can receive a Drivers License. When applying for said document at a computer terminal you only need to type yes to registration and you are set. There is no review or oversite.

Not that it really matters in CA we are a one party state.

You also give the government bureaucracy more credit then they are do. They use outdated computer systems manned by party flunkies who don't really follow the rule if it hurts their chosen candidate. There are over 3000 counties in the US each with their own little dictator to determine how the votes are counted. Where could it possibility go wrong.

The Carter-Baker report was also skeptical toward voting by mail. “While vote by mail appears to increase turnout for federal elections, there is no evidence that it significantly expands participation in federal elections,” the report stated. “Moreover, it raises concerns about privacy, as citizens voting at home may come under pressure to vote for certain candidates, and it increases the risk of fraud.” It noted that Oregon “appears to have avoided significant fraud” with measures like signature verification. “Vote by mail is, however, likely to increase the risks of fraud and of contested elections in other states, where the population is more mobile, where there is some history of troubled elections, or where the safeguards of ballot integrity are weaker.”
https://newrepublic.com/article/161666/carter-baker-commission-report-republican-attacks-election-reform

The difference between a Trump win was 43,000 vote in three states. The popular vote mean nothing, we have the Electoral College so that a minority a states can't decide for the majority.

@bi4smooth

Well here in Hellifornia (California) they mail every registered voter a ballot. So the state is awash with them. They allow illegals drivers licenses with motor voter laws and a corrupt DMV who really knows who is registered.

Your hyperbolic reaction to California's voter system is un-helpful. Florida has a "motor-voter law" too, but:

• Just because you can register to vote at the same time you renew your DL, doesn't mean you don't have to still prove your citizenship - in exactly the same way you would at the voter registration office - and actually fill out the EXACT SAME forms! What's different? The office you're in... that's it!!
• Your assumption/assertion that a mailed OUT ballot is untraceable and could be used by virtually anyone to actually vote is laughably false - even absurd. Here in Fla, they PUBLISH the ACTUAL BALLOT IMAGES - in the newspapers, and on their websites! You can print your own! BUT - You cannot actually VOTE with your own printed ballot (or the one from the paper) - the ones that are actually counted have to have been printed - with a serial number that is traceable to who it was sent to - by the elections office.

YES! There are voters who screw up and mail in invalid ballots - and those are thrown out. There are also idiots who vote in person and either under-vote or over-vote!
As they say: You can make a thing fool-proof, but you cannot make them damned-fool-proof - because damned-fools are just too ingenious! (Reference the annual Darwin awards).

Still, I find it incredulous that people just assume that mail-in balloting is somehow inherently insecure! Or that the people in the elections offices are totally clueless as to how the systems - that they've spent decades designing to be safe, secure, and easy - are so easily fooled!

Vote-by-mail has been in use in different parts of the country since the origins of the Republican Party! (History lesson: mail-in-ballots started in the Civil War!) Oregon has done EVERY election - SOLELY by mail-in-balloting - since 1998! The point is: we've had time to work out the kinks, and it's every bit as reliable as in-person voting!

The ONLY thing different in 2020 was that more people voted that way (because of the pandemic, maybe?) and Trump lost

Mind you, he lost the popular vote in 2016 too! The biggest difference between 2020 and 2016 was that in 2020 he (Trump) got 46.9% of the overall vote - pretty close to the 46.1% he got in 2016, but his opponent in 2020 got more than 50% of the vote! (IMHO: 2016 was a banner year for 3rd party candidates because MOST PEOPLE thought both major party candidates were untenable. As a result, the "also-rans" garnered an unusually large 5.7% of the overall vote (its usually closer to the 2-3% we saw in 2020!)

I'm sorry for the Trumpites - you lost, and lost by a reasonably wide margin. But I'm a life-long Republican - and WE WON in the down-ballot spaces in historical fashion! For an election where we LOST the top of the ticket, we did AMAZINGLY WELL in Congress, and even better in state-wide elections across the country!

If you claim Trump's loss was due to advanced election cheating, why do you presume that whomever accomplished this amazing feat, stopped at the top of the ticket? I mean, if these amazingly smart Dems (an oxymoron if I've ever seen one) could get ME (that's Maine, not me) to vote for Biden by altering the results, why couldn't they ALSO have replaced Sullivan in the Senate? If they were rigging the results, why didn't Jones get re-elected in AL? People believed it the FIRST time he was elected, why not a 2nd? While we're at it, if you're rigging the results for Biden in NH & VT, why would you allow Republicans to win those Governor's races? And WTF with NC? You rigged it so Trump wins for President there, but a Dem wins the Governor's mansion? WHAT WERE YOU THINKING

I'm sorry - but this whole "stolen election" think is sour-grapes from a sore-loser... because the excuses just don't add up!

Well here in Hellifornia (California) they mail every registered voter a ballot. So the state is awash with them. They allow illegals drivers licenses with motor voter laws and a corrupt DMV who really knows who is registered.

@bi4smooth

I am in CA where no such document would ever be created.

Does if have your picture on it?

Are you required to to show a picture ID to Vote in FL?

BTW I am an Independent, socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Which means I am willing to help the less fortunate in society but only to the extent that it doesn't burden others. If I have extra I am willing to share but you need to be willing to use the same free public education that I received and do for yourself. I am big on personal responsibility.

Because you didn't pay attention and learn your ABC's and 123's I am not going to support you sitting on your ass and collecting a check from the government.

Here in Florida, no - you do not have to show your Voter ID (Registration) card to vote, but you DO have to have a photo ID to vote in-person.

You do NOT have to show a photo ID to vote-by-mail, but those ballots DO have to be signed by the person to whom the ballot was issued (e.g. you have to request a ballot, it is mailed to you with a unique serial number, and that serial has to match to you when you return it - plus, your signature has to match to the one on file.)

NOTE1: Relatively FEW of these ballots are actually mailed - early voting includes having monitored "drop-boxes" where you can deposit your vote directly into a "ballot box" (monitored by SoE personnel) - no mail, no stamp, no middle-man... it goes directly to the SoE offices for counting...

NOTE 2: If they "invalidate" or "question" your mail-in ballot, you are notified and have a week to "satisfy" your ballot (that is: prove your identity and confirm that it is your ballot).

For the record: Florida is a relatively EASY State to vote in, with significant early voting opportunities, and vote-by-mail available by request (no reason needed).... and we're a mostly-RED State! Go figure! You CAN win - even then people ARE allowed to vote freely!