Ok, dearie.

You are just a piece of shit hypocrite.

@bi4smooth

Do you mean like how you have done that to me?

You fucking hypocrite.

Both are garbage, but that's who YOU voted for.

Oh, I call you names - but never without facts!
Once again - there is a difference a 3rd Grader could notice... but it escapes you...

One of these things is not like the others...

Do you mean like how you have done that to me?

You fucking hypocrite.

Both are garbage, but that's who YOU voted for.

@bi4smooth

Says the fake as fuck conservative-libertarian, who hasn't met a liberal talking point that he doesn't worship.

And, as always, you ignore the parts of the story that doesn't fit your liberal narrative.

You are an ass clown, at best, who constantly proves the modified Godwin's Law.

When you can't win an argument (or debate) with facts or logic, call the other person names...

It's my LIBERAL ass that's warning AGAINST impeaching, or in any way removing Biden from office before 2024! Because my LIBERAL ass thinks the ACTUAL liberal - Kamala Harris - would be a NIGHTMARE compared to Biden.

When you see the world in black & white, you miss so very much... and clearly, you see everything in black & white... I'm sad for you...

Says the fake as fuck conservative-libertarian, who hasn't met a liberal talking point that he doesn't worship.

And, as always, you ignore the parts of the story that doesn't fit your liberal narrative.

You are an ass clown, at best, who constantly proves the modified Godwin's Law.

@bi4smooth

You are an ignorant douchebag who NEEDS to lie about everything.

The threads are here, so stop making shit up.

More proof that liberals are nothing but liars.

you are so pathetic... there is truth out there... but you have to look for it. When your pathetic right-wing outlets send you hyperbolic trash, you have to look for the source, and find the truth... there is usually a LITTLE truth to what they say... but they (like you) need to blow every little match up into a fucking forest fire...

Their need for this is to drive ratings and viewers to their pages because that drives their revenue...

Your need for this escapes me...

You are an ignorant douchebag who NEEDS to lie about everything.

The threads are here, so stop making shit up.

More proof that liberals are nothing but liars.

@bi4smooth

Why would a person commit voter fraud, unless they intended to sway the vote? You must be sharing a crack pipe with Hunter.

You silly child... when a 90 y/o forgets that she voted by mail, and shows up to vote in person - that's voter fraud! She didn't intend to "change the outcome of the election" - she just forgot - somethting 90 year-olds do from time to time.

Now, if she showed up and dropped 30,000 ballots into the box, all marked for the same candidate(s) - THAT would be voter fraud!

We've discussed many cases here and you just keep downplaying them all because no proof will ever be good enough for you because you love voter fraud as it helps your party.

You haven't presented any cases of fraud - you've presented cases of potential fraud - and in each case they have been detected and prevented.

An entire election, except for the President, was thrown out because it was so dirty. Sadly, the judge in the case didn't explain how the entire election was dirty, but the President's part was totally clean.

As has been explained multiple times before: there is no such thing as a perfect election (except, perhaps in your sick & twisted mind)

We talked about the woman in/near San Antonio paying for ballots. This was a Project Veritas video of her giving her prices and what she will do in return.

Yup - and her one vote stopped Trump from winning! Yeah! That's the ticket!
Where are the numbers? Show me how she's one of 10,000 people who all conspired to sell their vote, and I'll pay attention... but this is actually just another 1-off -- another idiot (in a country with no shortage of idiots).

I'm not familiar with your Veritas story there - but she only gets one vote, and while she can request dozens of ballots, only 1 can be used (we've exposed the farce that 2 ballots = 2 votes before - multiple times!)... Also, I am pretty sure the dumb woman would have been just as happy to vote Trump for her price as Biden or anyone else! That makes her an idiot (and morally corrupt), not a Democrat!

We talked about the woman election official in Wayne County who confessed that she committed voter fraud over 20 years she was in the job.

LOL - that story continues to "have legs" in Trumpist circles, even though it has been de-bunked.

THE TRUTH - she admitted to entering birth dates of 1/1/1900 for significant numbers of absentee ballots. What she apparently DID NOT KNOW was that this was an intermediate step in the ballot verification process and was perfectly NORMAL in the Wayne County Supervisor of Elections process.

Was she responsible for hundreds of cases (even thousands?) of voter fraud? Or just a "line worker" who didn't understand the process. FACTS have shown the latter...

We talked about Broward County having 3 dirty ass Dems in charge of their elections, in a row.

Look, you're talking about Florida... and the fact is (and remains), this place is a shit-show when it comes to keeping politics out of our elections.

Broward County is HUGELY Democratic - by a 2-1 margin if not more! So that they keep electing Democrats to the position of Supervisor of Elections is unsurprising. That these people have been incompetent for so many years IS surprising... and shameful. But incompetence isn't "dirty"... and there have been NO complaints of FRAUD from Broward County in the past 20-30 years... just incompetence.... complete and total incompetence. But hey, THIS IS FLORIDA! Sometimes it isn't just "Florida Man" - sometimes it's "Florida Woman!"

While no one (no, not even Brenda Snipes or Miriam Oliphant) has ever been charged with actually throwing or defrauding an election, they have been shown to be incompetent (or to have allowed for severe incompetence in their office - and they hold responsibility)...

So what kinds of offenses did they (both) do?

• Oliphant helped create and approved of the disastrous "butterfly ballot" used in 2020 that contributed to the utter chaos of the 2020 election
• they hired homeless people to work in the office (during election cycles) - people with no credentials and no experience. And some of these people did dumb things... like losing boxes of absentee ballots (Now remember: this district is nearly 70% Democrat - so losing those ballots PROBABLY hurt Democrats in statewide elections more than anyone else!)
• they both repeatedly failed to recruit sufficiant poll workers for elections - resulting in long lines and thus polls that sometimes had to remain open for hours after they were supposed to close (by State Law - if you are in line when the polls are supposed to close, you are still allowed to vote... the polling place must stay open until the last person in line at the cutoff time completes their vote.)
• a worker for Snipes accidentally posted online election results (partial results, no doubt) 10 minutes PRIOR to the close of the polls - a violation of state law because it could influence people in-line to vote!
• She (Snipes) permitted the destruction of physical ballots - which was prescribed by law - in spite of a court order to retain them. She thought the the DIGITAL COPIES were sufficient for the court, and was trying to stay "true" to the law...

So what's the take-away? Broward County elections are incompetent, not necessarily fraudulent.

Lookup those 2 prior Supervisors of Elections: Miriam Oliphant & Brenda Snipes online and read... it's not pretty! They were both CLEARLY incompetent for the job (note: Snipes was appointed by Republican Governor Jeb Bush before she won the position by election... oh yeah, right... by @raphjd's measure, Jeb Bush is a RINO, a Liberal, and a closet Democrat! my bad!)

Yeah, but it doesn't happen.

I've said repeatedly that fraud does happen - and that is not new! The TREND for the AMOUNT of fraud is sharply DOWN though... not UP! (We keep getting BETTER at this!)

But your assertion that one dude who stole 300 absentee ballots and got caught with them in his car is proof that there is widespread fraud, or that Wayne County, Michigan alone swayed the Presidential election in 2020, or that heavily Democratic Broward County Florida NOT COUNTING absentee ballots hurt Republicans in the State... or [insert 1-off case of incompetence here].. is ridiculous!

You are a fucking idiot liberal.
You are a desperate, factually ignorant, pathetic, Trumpite... your guy LOST - fair and square! (I could mention that he lost the POPULAR VOTE... TWICE! Or, more correctly: BOTH TIMES!!!)

Build a bridge and get over it!

Why would a person commit voter fraud, unless they intended to sway the vote? You must be sharing a crack pipe with Hunter.

We've discussed many cases here and you just keep downplaying them all because no proof will ever be good enough for you because you love voter fraud as it helps your party.

An entire election, except for the President, was thrown out because it was so dirty. Sadly, the judge in the case didn't explain how the entire election was dirty, but the President's part was totally clean.

We talked about the woman in/near San Antonio paying for ballots. This was a Project Veritas video of her giving her prices and what she will do in return.

We talked about the woman election official in Wayne County who confessed that she committed voter fraud over 20 years she was in the job.

We talked about Broward County having 3 dirty ass Dems in charge of their elections, in a row.

Yeah, but it doesn't happen.

You are a fucking idiot liberal.

@bi4smooth

Typical liberal, you have no valid response.

Oh, I see - because you repeat yourself, I should repeat myself?

Show us the evidence of significant fraud! Not hearsay, EVIDENCE! Somewhere where someone was charged in court of perpetrating fraud with more than a handful of votes! More importantly, perpetrating fraud with the intent of swaying an election result!

Why that last caveat? Because some lady in Texas is being accused of fraud because she volunteers in a nursing home and she transported patient ballots to a ballot box. No one actually influenced (or even helped in any way) their votes - she just drove them to the ballot drop-box... and for that, she is charged with election fraud (ballot harvesting). The case remains unresolved in the TX courts...

Finding a sock under the dryer does NOT mean that there are 1000's of socks hiding under there, or that all dryers have socks under them... If you want to make an argument that there is a voter fraud problem, prove it with statistically significant proof!

We keep hearing from the Trumpites: "We have the proof"

The time to show the proof was in Nov-Dec of 2020, not Sept of 2021!! So, I call bullshit! Show it in court (without being sanctioned for abuse of the courts!) and I'll change my tune (remember, i am a scientist: I DO change my mind when given new facts! But if you want me to change my mind, use FACTS not insinuation and hearsay!)

Typical liberal, you have no valid response.

@bi4smooth

Keep justifying voter fraud.

Oy, dumbass, do you remember the NJ election where the entire thing, except for President, was thrown out because it was so dirty? Funny how that works. An entire election is so fucking dirty that a judge throws out the entire thing except for President because that was the only part that was "clean".

Broward County had 3 dirty-ass Dems in a row running their elections.

We have discussed many dirty ass fucks involved in voter fraud and each and every time you justify and downplay it.

LOOK! @Raphjd has a plan for PERFECT elections!

But ONLY HE knows how to do it - so HE should be President??

Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!

Keep justifying voter fraud.

Oy, dumbass, do you remember the NJ election where the entire thing, except for President, was thrown out because it was so dirty? Funny how that works. An entire election is so fucking dirty that a judge throws out the entire thing except for President because that was the only part that was "clean".

Broward County had 3 dirty-ass Dems in a row running their elections.

We have discussed many dirty ass fucks involved in voter fraud and each and every time you justify and downplay it.

@bi4smooth

Ah, so that justifies voter fraud, because it happened to someone you hate.

Says everything about you.

No - but let's summarize again for your child mind:

• There has been NO EVIDENCE of significant fraud - in ANY precinct - affecting the Presidential race.... (NOTE: Evidence is defined as data with enough "weight" as to be permitted in a US Court... that's not a HIGH bar! But it does mean it can't be hearsay and/or be so obviously fake that the attorney presenting it knows it's false)
• Rumors and other conspiracy theories attacking the vote COUNTING process (where ballots are counted using computer scanners) have been PROVEN unfounded - because the actual ballots are on PAPER and hand-recounts have confirmed the machine counts
• Rumors and other conspiracy theories about illegal voting (by non-US-Citizens) have been PROVEN unfounded - because audits by the Supervisors of Elections have shown no unusual or significant issues with their voter rolls.

Have there been isolated incidents? Of course - there always are. There is no reasonable expectation of a "perfect" election... the question isn't whether there were ANY illegal votes... some people vote who shouldn't: some do it accidentally, and a few actually DO attempt fraud. BUT the numbers of people - the amount of illegal voting (whether accidental or intentional) was LESS in 2020 than in 2018, which was LESS than in 2016 - and the pattern of REDUCED election irregularities goes back to the 1970's.

No, the question is whether there was any significant illegal voting... significant being defined as sufficient to change the outcome.

The U.S. is characterized by a highly decentralized election administration system. The entities that do the rubber-meets-the-road functions of running an election are typically on the county or city/town level. The result is that no two States administer elections in exactly the same way, and there is quite a bit of variation in election administration even within states.

Each state’s election administration structure and procedures have grown organically, as times and technology have changed; and administering an election has became an increasingly complex task. For example: the State of Florida - and several other states - significantly changed their election mechanisms after the 2020 debacle (remember the "hanging chads"?).

Fortunately for all involved, the people who RUN our elections in the US are significantly smarter than you and have precautions in place to prevent fraud. Precautions that have been built up over nearly 250 years of voting experience!

But I'm sure that, with your 2nd Grade education, you're perfectly able to defeat their plans and protections after thinking about it for 5 minutes or so of "deep thought"...

We all bow to your solipsistic superiority...

Ah, so that justifies voter fraud, because it happened to someone you hate.

Says everything about you.

@bi4smooth

You are a pathetic liberal.

It has nothing to do with Trump losing, you loser.

Unlike you, I care about voter fraud regardless of who it's far/against.

You are happy with voter fraud because Trump lost.

You stupid, solipsistic, twit... the ONLY Republicans who lost in 2020 - that were close races - were Donald Trump and... well, that's it!

We (Republicans) won races we shouldn't have (given a Democrat winning the Presidential ticket) up and down the ballot!

We (Republicans) were supposed to (by polling):

• LOSE state houses... we won even more!
• LOSE the Senate BADLY... we came within one seat of KEEPING it
• LOSE massively in the house... we GAINED seats in the house - enough to make Nancy SWEAT!

The only Republican LOSER in 2020 was Donald J Trump!

I don't think there was widespread fraud because my party won in ways we couldn't have dreamed possible... EXCEPT for the loser Trump, who actually kept it pretty close!

And I think it's LUDICROUS to think anyone taking the time and effort to commit massive fraud (which is institutionally almost impossible to do in a NATIONAL election - because each district is UNIQUE!) would target SOLELY the Presidential race...

You are a pathetic liberal.

It has nothing to do with Trump losing, you loser.

Unlike you, I care about voter fraud regardless of who it's far/against.

You are happy with voter fraud because Trump lost.

@bi4smooth

WOW, you really are a typical liberal.

If I'm against voter fraud, I need to move to Syria or North Korea.

Shut the hell up and get back to sniffing Pelosi's panties.

Your definition of Voter Fraud is "my candidate lost" - and THAT definition of voter fraud is not democracy, it's autocratic - like Syria and N Korea! (They both have elections - free and fair, so long as their Great Leader wins by a landslide every time! PERFECT for your expectations!)

Pack your bags!

So you know: Free and Fair Elections means your guy LOSES sometimes... FAIR AND SQUARE. But that's not for you... so you should get out!

Pack your bags!

WOW, you really are a typical liberal.

If I'm against voter fraud, I need to move to Syria or North Korea.

Shut the hell up and get back to sniffing Pelosi's panties.

@bi4smooth

Broward County did not have 3 dirty ass Dems in a row running their elections.

No voter fraud anywhere in the US has ever gotten past anyone.

No woman in Wayne County, which we didn't discuss before, committed over 20 years committing voter fraud while not working as an elections official.

Nope, we have never, ever discussed any other cases of voter fraud, because it never ever happens.

Funny - only your child-mind is making declarations of absolutism! No one else - not even Republican or Democrat Secretaries of State or Supervisors of Elections - is saying every single vote is perfect... No, these people are realists - there is no chance that any election is "perfect"

But that's not the issue!

You're asking the wrong questions!

But I understand your approach and method - find the examples of actual fraud (both attempted and - albeit much harder to find - even some successful) and then extrapolate that to claim that ALL the elections are corrupted and fraudulent.

Sound like a Russian plan? or maybe a Chinese plan?

IT SHOULD! They HAVE PLANNED THIS!

No, the RIGHT question isn't whether there was ANY fraud, but rather whether there was ENOUGH fraud - that was successful, not just what was attempted, to change the outcome of the election. And there has been no evidence - NOT A SINGLE PIECE - to show this was true in any SINGLE area of any SINGLE state... much less enough in enough states to change the outcome of the election!

I want you to understand something here:

Let's say you convince a LOT of people that elections - in general - just can't be trusted. You're also saying Democracy just can't work, because you can't trust the vote!

If you truly believe this, I encourage you to emigrate to a country more attune to your beliefs. I think Indonesia might be a good candidate... or Syria? Maybe Chad? No, I've found it! Trump's FAVORITE foreign country! Move to North Korea! You'll fit right in there! No voter fraud there! And NO ONE questions their Great Leader (and survives)! Just the way you like it!

Broward County did not have 3 dirty ass Dems in a row running their elections.

No voter fraud anywhere in the US has ever gotten past anyone.

No woman in Wayne County, which we didn't discuss before, committed over 20 years committing voter fraud while not working as an elections official.

Nope, we have never, ever discussed any other cases of voter fraud, because it never ever happens.

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/broward-officials-stop-scheme-to-register-dead-voters-as-democrats/2314247/

Another one for the "voter fraud doesn't exist" file.

Let's not forget that Broward County does not have a long history of dirty-ass Democrats running their elections and committing fraud. Jeb Bush did not appoint a dirty ass Dem (Brenda Snipes) to run the elections after a not dirty ass Dem did not get caught being dirty. NOPE, didn't happen.

Once again, READ YOUR OWN REFERENCE

If you actually read the story, you'll see that:

• the attempted fraud was detected and stopped...
• it originated from someone in SC (unknown, but postmarked from SC)
• 51 applications were received and rejected
• ZERO ballots were mailed
• ZERO votes were cast
• ZERO votes were counted
• the case was referred (by the supposedly-dirty supervisor of elections) to the SA's office for further investigation (and maybe prosecution)

This is another instance of your screaming "fire" and, once again, it turns out to be little more than a match...

People (on both sides of the aisle) attempt voter fraud every year...

You would THINK we'd hire PROFESSIONALS to design systems that would make this harder...

Oh wait... that's exactly what we have