Umm, most were not charged with any crimes yet. Only the asshole who altered the email was prosecuted and he got a tiny slap on the wrist.

Umm, clearly you didn't pay even the tiniest attention to all that shit, because you would know that the entire top of the FBI was dirty, aka pro-Hillary.

I do love how you play down the dirtiness of the government agencies, especially in regards to Trump. Then again, it's no surprise, coming from you.

I will agree that at the very low levels, it's mostly stupidity that causes problems, but that's not what we are talking about.

@bi4smooth

You are such an idiot.

It may be illegal, just like Hillary Bit Bleaching 33k emails that were under congressional subpoena. But some asshole FBI agent can ignore it.

FBI agents can illegally alter emails from the CIA.

FBI agents can lie to the FISA court.

Any of this sound familiar?

Of course, it doesn't sound familiar because Joy Reid, Rachel Maddow, and the rest of the liberal media losers didn't tell you about it.

The FBI agents who were caught doing those things were themselves arrested and charged. Working for the FBI (the same as being elected to office - apparently, other than the Presidency) is not a "get out of jail free card" - FBI agents can, and are, arrested for breaking the law! Some of those go to prison, but most plead out... with the repercussions virtually always including leaving Government Service and giving up all pensions and other benefits.

Like it or not, the Government is full of PEOPLE. Largely with mildly incompetent people (at all levels)...

People make mistakes! Sometimes, they're honest mistakes. Sometimes they're incompetent mistakes. Sometimes they're intentional, illegal mistakes...

You are such an idiot.

It may be illegal, just like Hillary Bit Bleaching 33k emails that were under congressional subpoena. But some asshole FBI agent can ignore it.

FBI agents can illegally alter emails from the CIA.

FBI agents can lie to the FISA court.

Any of this sound familiar?

Of course, it doesn't sound familiar because Joy Reid, Rachel Maddow, and the rest of the liberal media losers didn't tell you about it.

@bi4smooth

Maybe you should read what the FBI and the State Depart did against Trump and for Hillary.

Maybe you should understand that people can ACCUSE the Government of anything and be protected by 1st Amendment rights...

But it's ILLEGAL for Government Employees (much less AGENCIES) to work for or against political candidates... any candidates in any election (even local "dog catcher" elections!). Federal employees have even gotten into trouble campaigning in their own HOAs (Home Owners Associations)!!!

So, just like your "Definitive Proof" that the election was "stolen" - proof that can't be shown in any court of law - your "proof" that people in the FBI and State Departments actively (illegally) helped Hillary's campaign are just as much paper-tigers...

Show me the court case, or stop pretending your case is real!

You're all hat and no horse, dude!

Maybe you should read what the FBI and the State Depart did against Trump and for Hillary.

@bi4smooth

You really are dumb.

We know that Hillary colluded with Russia via Steele. And as you admit, Trump didn't.

Various parts of the federal government colluded to help ensure Hillary would win.

When "big tech" is acting as Biden's bitch, they are acting as agents of the US government.

If Hillary colluded with the Russians, she didn't get her money's worth... the Russians were FOR TRUMP and would never have worked with her to get shit ON TRUMP. Your assertions don't pass the basic smell test, but with your 3rd-grade view of the world, I'm not surprised you can't see that.

Thank God that, if your assertion (about actual Government agencies working directly with Clinton's campaign) was true, that it didn't happen (that is, that she wasn't elected as President)... While I still think the Trump Presidency was an absolute shit-show, I also still think it was better than what would have happened in yet another Clinton presidency!

I don't regret my vote for Trump in 2016... I regret that he was so awful that I couldn't see myself clear to vote for his re-election.

And finally, when any company works to the benefit of any candidate - that's OK, according to the US Supreme Court. EVEN IF Biden actually put them on the payroll, so long as it was Democrat money (and not actual Federal money), they would be within that RIDICULOUS ruling!

I don't argue that it's wrong - it is - but it's perfectly LEGAL because we (Conservatives) MADE IT LEGAL!!!

Ain't it a bitch when the monster you conjured up turns on you!

Maybe you should read history (and even literature) instead of social media!

You really are dumb.

We know that Hillary colluded with Russia via Steele. And as you admit, Trump didn't.

Various parts of the federal government colluded to help ensure Hillary would win.

When "big tech" is acting as Biden's bitch, they are acting as agents of the US government.

@bi4smooth

LOL, I misspelled something. It's funny how rabid you get over something so tiny. It clearly is important to you because you have nothing but attacks on my spelling and grammar. You are such a twat.

So, Psaki is a liar then. GOOD ON YA, that's the 1st step to recovery.

We know from Project Veritas, "big tech" all said they would work to prevent Trump from being re-elected. We aren't just talking about flunkies saying that it was said, but we actually have the video of the top bosses saying it themselves.

BTW, the FBI, White House, State Department (probably others), and Russia colluded with Hillary.

So typical... we got caught doing something wrong, so we'll say the other guys were doing it too!

Look: the fact that the Russians interfered - and wanted Trump for President - in 2016 and 2020 is FACT.

The question is (was): did the Trump campaign COLLUDE (work with, or provide or derive support from) the Russians, or was it all coincidental...

The outcome of the investigations was: there was no provable collusion.

For you to IDIOTICALLY them come back and say: they did it too is to re-open the idea that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians in the first place!

Hillary did NOT collude with the Russians... and the Government itself is precluded from working for or against any candidate (doesn't mean it didn't happen, but that it was never investigated to the point of prosecutions means the idea didn't old water where it mattered: in a court of law)

Hillary lost (thankfully) fair and square - because even IF the Russians worked to the benefit of Trump, and even it it is against OUR laws for them to do so, it's not against THEIR laws, and we have no jurisdiction over Russia... so the election happened, Trump won, and the notion that there was collusion has been decided - in Trump's favor. Let the historians take it from here - ca. 2040!

But on the flip side, in 2020 - by the same measure - Biden won. It fucking sucks that the sword cuts both ways, but it does, and it did. There was no collusion, there was no theft of votes... all of these conspiracy theories collapse into dust when presented in a court of law - even when the judge is a Trump appointee and a political hack to start with!

One last thing: did big tech want Biden to win? maybe so! But this is America and they are free-enterprise companies!

Big Tech is not the Government!

If Bill Gates wanted Biden and the Koch brothers wanted Trump and they both spent $billions of their own money to help make that happen -- that's all part of the process!

And while I despise the idea of corporate America being allowed to involve themselves (and their absurdly huge piles of money) in our elections, according to the Conservative US Supreme Court decision commonly called Citizen's United, that's the law... Conservatively led corporations are allowed to interfere, and Liberally led corporations are too...

Maybe, now that the GOP seems to be distancing itself from corporate America (thanks to Trumpism), the Conservative Court will want to re-think that... how will they feel when the large majority of Corporations favor the Democrat party?

Only time will tell - but ONLY A FOOL assumes that political alliances last forever... whether it was corporate America and the GOP or the "greens" and the DNC... political alliances come and go over time!

Remember:

• The GOP is the party of Abe Lincoln and George Wallace
• The DNC is the party of Andrew Johnson (who tried to undo the slave-related Lincoln acts) and Barack Obama...

Politics changes... like the wind... and if it's time for Corporate America to change allegiances, we need to react to that... not bury our heads in the sand and pretend it isn't happening! (IMHO, it's not too late to get Corporate America back into the GOP - but Trumpism isn't going to make that happen. Quite the opposite!)

LOL, I misspelled something. It's funny how rabid you get over something so tiny. It clearly is important to you because you have nothing but attacks on my spelling and grammar. You are such a twat.

So, Psaki is a liar then. GOOD ON YA, that's the 1st step to recovery.

We know from Project Veritas, "big tech" all said they would work to prevent Trump from being re-elected. We aren't just talking about flunkies saying that it was said, but we actually have the video of the top bosses saying it themselves.

BTW, the FBI, White House, State Department (probably others), and Russia colluded with Hillary.

@bi4smooth

You forgot D, where the President's Admin tells them what and who to ban, as we have now.

Also under D, they ban speech that runs counter to the liberal agenda

C is extremely dishonest because, as you and I have discussed before, prior to Section 230, they were only liable if they moderated the speech (publisher) but they were NOT liable if they acted as a platform. In either case, it was their duty to remove illegal content, such as kiddie porn and whatnot. This is still the case under Section 230.

Section 230 is the special right for "big tech" to be cunts to those they disagree with.

Let's not forget that Parlor was found not to have been the platform where your beloved 6 Jan was set up. That was FB and Twitter.

You silly twit - I have no issues with Parler! (For a Conservative, I'd think you'd know how to SPELL it!)... they are a platform VERY MUCH like Twitter! They are an independent company VERY MUCH like Twitter! They have millions of subscribers VERY MUCH like Twitter!

If Parler wants to ban Liberal speech, they have the right to!

Again, as you often do, you lose the forest for the trees! I do not support Twitter and FB de-platforming users... but I also think it is THEIR business if they do! There is no 1st Amendment issue because there is no Government involvement!

If you could clench your ass-cheeks and stop the bleeding out your asshole, you'd realize that I'm looking at this systemically - I don't want Government interference in private enterprise. You're looking at specific cases where the "systems" they put into place offended you.

I think you tweak the "system" to be less offensive (knowing you'll never please anyone - least of all you, personally, @raphjd)... you think you throw it out and either have full Governmental control (fascist) or no controls at all (anarchist).

I still say your PREMISE that the Government is FORCING the big-tech firms to delete posts is false... I think that if there was Government pressure to do so, they'd say so and make a fuss about it! That would be a Government intrusion into their realm, and an unwelcome one at that.

Funny that we can accept that Russians interfered in the 2016 elections for the benefit of Trump - but that he didn't collude with them, they acted on their own. Although it benefited the Trump Campaign, they didn't control it at all...

Yet, when we look at Big Tech, the fact that they're working against Trump is sufficient to imply collusion with the Democrats and/or the Government....

You sound like a F**ing Democrat!

You forgot D, where the President's Admin tells them what and who to ban, as we have now.

Also under D, they ban speech that runs counter to the liberal agenda

C is extremely dishonest because, as you and I have discussed before, prior to Section 230, they were only liable if they moderated the speech (publisher) but they were NOT liable if they acted as a platform. In either case, it was their duty to remove illegal content, such as kiddie porn and whatnot. This is still the case under Section 230.

Section 230 is the special right for "big tech" to be cunts to those they disagree with.

Let's not forget that Parlor was found not to have been the platform where your beloved 6 Jan was set up. That was FB and Twitter.

@serenity

Like it or not, both of you are quoting someone.

I don't agree with what he is saying, but your source has also been caught lying to us.

Query: Which sounds more like a NAZI state?

• In Country A, private companies are allowed to determine - on their own - what content people are allowed to post. The barrier to entry in the marketplace is essentially zero, and startups in the content distribution space are numerous and varied.
• In Country B, private companies are told by the Government what speech is allowed, and what speech is not allowed. Companies who wish to be content providers must register with the Government (given that the Internet is not in any one country, I'm clueless which Government you would want that to be...) and must allow Government auditors to view posts and removals to ensure that they comply with Government rules.

... and for completeness:

• Country C, where private companies who distribute content are required by the Government to allow any and all voices to be heard, but are also held legally liable for every piece of content posted on their site. Companies initially start-up and try to handle the onslaught of messages. User fees to cover the cost of editing the content are about $100/month, but are not enough to cover costs, so companies change to requiring users who want to POST content to "buy a license". Within 6-months, the companies just close up... there is no more "social media" as the companies cannot afford the liability insurance and/or the users are not willing to pay for access.

Like it or not, both of you are quoting someone.

I don't agree with what he is saying, but your source has also been caught lying to us.

You and Arnie are the same, fake as fuck conservatives.

Both of your share the same vision of liberty.

@bi4smooth

You and Arnie are the same "screw your freedoms".

Not surprisingly, it's the same mantra from the left.

You and Arnie claim to be Republicans.

I have no shame or regret that Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Republican... I think he perhaps got a little emotional in that interview, but who am I to judge.

You, on the other hand... I am regretful that Trump pulled you into the Republican party... you both were better (for may party) left under the rock from which you crawled...

You and Arnie are the same "screw your freedoms".

Not surprisingly, it's the same mantra from the left.

You and Arnie claim to be Republicans.

@bi4smooth

If I become a liberal, I won't need a mask, just ask Pelosi, Schumer, Beetlejuice, and all the rest.

If Nancy doesn't wear a mask and gets (and dies) from COVID-19, then she gets what she deserves. The same as McConnell or Schumer or McCarthy or Paul or Cruz or AOC or "the Squad".... they're all hypocritical elitist politicians who think they're not as "unclean" as the rest of us, and so they aren't as much at risk.

In other words: They're all full of shit!

The difference between you and me is that you see Trumpites as "above it all" - pure and clean... Whereas I see them as just more self-absorbed, power-hungry, NIMBY assholes.

Q: How can you tell a politician is telling the truth?
A: Hah! It was a trick question! Just like roosters don't lay eggs, it just doesn't happen!

Anti-maskers and Anti-vaxers are all stupid, science-ignoring morons who are doing the human species a favor by dying in much higher numbers of COVID-19! (The human gene is getting a little smarter as a result, no?)

It doesn't matter whether the idiots are Dems or Repubicans, Libs or Conservatives, White or Black, Senators or Congressmen... ignore the science, and people die... and maybe that'll be you! (Karma is a bitch, after all!)

The only place in the VAX and MASK argument where my politics comes into play these days is that currently, so many MORE Republicans are dying of this disease - because so many of our own party's leaders are pitching anti-science, "not wearing a mask is a personal freedom issue" bullshit... (I'm looking at you Ted Cruz and Rand Paul!) and while I think the morons who are CREATING and FOLLOWING this advise get what they deserve (sickness, and even death), some of those dying are my idiots - from my party... and I want for there to be fewer idiot-Republicans...

Honestly, I want there to be fewer idiots entirely - but fewer Republican idiots, to be sure!

Yeah, I know my rhetoric is a little harsh here... but COVID-19 is still killing people, and using more gentle language about it won't change that. Mother Nature is neither a Liberal nor a Conservative... but, she is a mean and vengeful bitch when you ignore her!

If I become a liberal, I won't need a mask, just ask Pelosi, Schumer, Beetlejuice, and all the rest.

@bi4smooth Solved? You're ridiculous. 1.2 MILLION died in 2019 from TB. And you say it's "solved." Again, more nonsense from someone who has no idea what they're talking about. 1.2 MILLION is just a statistic huh? God you're dumb.

OK - solved may have been overreach... when detected, most TB cases are successfully treated... but it IS and REMAINS a highly infectious - bacterial-caused - disease!

But if you REALLY want to get down to brass tacks here: one of the best ways to protect against TB? (LOL - you're going to soil yourself here!)

Wearing masks!

So - follow my (and the CDC's) advise and wear a mask in public to protect against COVID-19... or,
follow the advise of @raphjd & @ManHandler and wear a mask in public to protect against Tuberculosis!

Either way, the public wins:

WEAR A F-ING MASK!

Are you quoting the same people that demanded that C-19 did NOT come from Wuhan?

Next, you will quote Zuckerberg and Dorsey.

@bi4smooth

"Solved" means not significant?

Tell that to the families of those who are still dying from TB in developed countries.

@bi4smooth You're starting off with a total falsity: TB is the number one killer in the entire world. You really are just lost with fake news.

Fatalities from TB haven't been significant in developed countries in DECADES. TB is a "solved problem".

Your seemingly endless "river of shit-facts" however, is a problem modern science has no answer for...

Why the hell are we worried about Covid when Tuberculosis is the number one killer? It's ridiculous. Stick that jab right up your ass, big pharma making a killing, literally. Such morons... No word about Tuberculosis. No word about heart disease. Nothing about the actual things that are killing people... No... just take this vaccine so pharmaceutical companies can make billions in profits. You guys are dumb.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death

Globally TB is not on top 10
Low income countries TB is only top 8.

So your statement is false.