These are first hand eye witnesses, with video. It's not hearsay you incompetent fool. And yes, we've already seen the videos!!! We know Trump won. There is nothing to concede.

I was not attacking either of you.. just discussing things - don't attack others on here just because they share a diff view point (red or blue or freaking pink) If the extreme sides (both) on here were not so ready to attack eachother then more might join in in discussions

I simply stated the truth.. the courts can't do anything without def legal proof (heavily edited videos with no context are going to get thrown out no matter how true they are). I was not rude or taking sides just stated facts.. IF there is clear legal evidence (whether its video or watermarks or whatever) then roll on Trump for four more years

Anyway, this "incompotent fool" is outta here for another long while  - hope it all pans out and maybe the US gets some well deserved peace and quiet.. but i doubt it

Why were Repub vote observers prevented from watching the counts in several states?

This has yet to be proven - true or not (no matter what you strongly believe) these allegations need more proof

The thing is most of these allegations have not been proven - they are purely hearsay 3rd party allegations with no actual proof.. Until they are proven then they are just allegations and therefore will mean nothing in a court of law

some of these so called allegations and issues brought to court by Trump et al have been thrown out of court within hours as they have nothing to back them up - at this point it feels like they are just throwing stuff at a wall and hoping something sticks

There are also now reports from Democrat run counties like Maricopa in Arizona, where Republicans who voted by mail are finding out that their vote was "cancelled." I wonder who counted their votes…

To sum this all up, are we really that surprised that an unpopular president who never rose above 50% in any reputable poll taken during his entire presidency lost his reelection bid? Is the sky not blue? Is water not wet? Does 2+2 not = 4? I understand the need to go down this rabbit hole but this is what happened to Jimmy Carter in 1980 and George H.W. Bush in 1992; if you cannot convince enough people that you can turn things around, you lose. A lot of us saw this writing on the wall in 2018 and some even before that. He literally never got above 50% in any reputable polls. I know everyone hates polling but Trump had a 46-47% ceiling and that means reaching out to those outside your base. He tried that this year but much too late. This was a very straightforward election.

Sorry to be so wordy but the conspiracy theories are becoming a bit much at this point when it's simple mathematics and logic that explain all of this. No one committed any fraud. No one magically stuffed ballots somewhere. It is difficult to beat an incumbent, but only when they're popular or have a bigger base of support.

Well, obviously I am not in the US, but as we see that from Europe, it is very dangerious to question election results (especially from the current president of the country!) and not to present any proof when they delivered that press conference yesterday (Trump's son and Guliani) in a shocking attitude as if they were actors in a movie…

Again, I am just giving my opinion. I'm not living in the US. Just get from the distance in Europe what is going on there and how harmful for democracy it is to question election results. Was just reading this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/business/media/trump-tv-anchors-criticism.html

The New York Times is anti-Trump, as is Chris Wallice.

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MSM and social media said, before the election, that they would not allow Trump to declare victory until it's absolutely proven he won.  They did not say the same thing for Biden.

Social media is blocking any talk about the stuff we are talking about here with the dodgy voting.  I posted about William Bradley voting even though he's been dead for 36 year and Twitter blocked it and gave me a warning, even though all I did was post a news article link.  My cousin sent me the link about the Michigan counting software on FB and she got a warning.  She ended up sending it by text message.

Many liberals don't support Biden or Harris.  They voted for them simply because they have blind hatred for Trump.

If Trump is evil, then so are all the other people that did the exact same thing or are you a hypocrite.

Your hatred for Trump is blatantly clear.

One thing that stood out as a possibility is that Trump's followers were told not to vote via mail/absentee/drop-off and to instead vote at the polls, and they did so.

Those not following Trump and/or worried more about Covid-19 used mail/absentee/drop-off and it is those that were recently (and are being) counted.

President Trump was a huge influence in a lot of his supporters voting in person - they then did exactly that, in most cases.

Covid fears also played a part on this

This + plus the fact that states all count differently (some count mail ins at the end etc) means each side got large quantities of votes counted at once (Trump at start and Biden much later) which led to people falsely saying its rigged/fraudulent etc

Record number of votes were cast.. which I think is amazing BUT just shows why and how tight the race is - people are polarised.. but that is a seperate discussion

Trump's claims were not baseless whatsoever. You're a liar. You're lying to yourself. There is OBVIOUSLY something going on. Every other state counted their mail in ballots on election night, and these five states that Trump was winning, just suddenly stopped, and it's four fucking days later. Wake up. To act like there's no such thing as voter fraud is ridiculous and delusional. Nobody actually believes that, therefore, it is self evident that you're a liar.

It was just reported that a glitch in Michigan double counted votes for guess who!? The news of these irregularities in tabulation are pouring out and you're ignorant to all of it because it doesn't fit your belief system. They always "glitch" one way. Quit lying to yourself. Like computers forgot how to add (1 + 1).

Let's see, 100s of 1000s of ballots found at 4 am in three states and 100% Biden. Nothing going on there. GOP poll watchers being told they have to leave the building, others being told to stand 100 feet away. To be able to observe, means to be able to look at it. Not from 100 feet away. This is total bullshit and everyone knows it.

There are dozens of videos. One shows a guy saying thank you California for the seven extra ballots and fills them all out for Biden. Another video shows a guy throwing a bunch of ballots for Trump into a paper bag and lighting it on fire. Another shows an election official actually telling all the counters that votes for Trump are to be destroyed. The voter fraud is a fact, and it's blatant, and if you are going to actually sit there and say it isn't happening then you're just a stupid liar. Period.

• Three TV channels stopped broadcasting Trump's conference press when he started to openly lie and accusing everyone but him to cheat in the elections

• Even his friends from the Fox are not following his accusations.

• Many convervative members do not even support Trump

He is left alone with his scandalous try to put into risk the oldest democracy in the Western world.

Just wish that Biden wins more electoral votes than necessary to be the President of the US. I won't be happier than the day Trump is out of the government.

I agree with you.

What really shocks me (and worries me) is that a President of the USA, the oldest democracy in the Western World, can accuse the opposition party of fraud (wouldn’t the Government have all the power to control elections? Who can really think that the opposition party would have more power than the party in the government, controlling all institutions?) WITHOUT any proof… yeah, “some people report…” or “a picture taken (somewhere) shows…”… where are the proofs? If there are so overwhelming proofs that the opposition party, the Democrats, are “stealing the government” (as Trump said yesterday), why most of the judges in the country are not accepting his requests? Is it also a “conspirancy” from the part of the judges?

I mean, Trump has been the King of the fake news during all his 4 years in the Government. Even yesterday Twitter and Facebook were marking his last messages as “fake news”… And still people can support someone who has been lying for 4 years? Shocking…

This is Donald Trump: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-46175024

@banzee:

All of that should, and probably will be reported, but really, like the european guy, I think it's hard to think about fraud in an election, i'm from Chile, not european, not developed nation, but here frauds in elections are really unusual, like in europe and that maybe makes it hard for us to grasp that in the so called best country of the world these things happen.
Also, here at least, we don't hate Trump, but its really shocking to see how many people of such an important country elects a complete ignorant man, that defies science and facts, that acts without listening advice and that shamessly lie, but guess we all have what we deserve, we got a billionare thief here, elected twice, so there's no way i'm criticizing, just amazed

This shows you have no idea what you're talking about. It's not even worth the time trying to explain it to you. Twitter and Facebook are not authorities on truth. Jesus Christ that's the dumbest thing I've heard all day.
 play nice

Those not following Trump and/or worried more about Covid-19 used mail/absentee/drop-off and it is those that were recently (and are being) counted.

The Speaker of the House is supposed to be neutral in all matters, yet Bercow was blatantly biased.  He even admitted in a TV interview after he left the office that he intentionally worked to thwart Brexit.  He was videoed going to and from meetings with EU officials.

Their actions are treason.

What really shocks me (and worries me) is that a President of the USA, the oldest democracy in the Western World, can accuse the opposition party of fraud (wouldn’t the Government have all the power to control elections? Who can really think that the opposition party would have more power than the party in the government, controlling all institutions?) WITHOUT any proof… yeah, “some people report…” or “a picture taken (somewhere) shows…”… where are the proofs? If there are so overwhelming proofs that the opposition party, the Democrats, are “stealing the government” (as Trump said yesterday), why most of the judges in the country are not accepting his requests? Is it also a “conspirancy” from the part of the judges?

I mean, Trump has been the King of the fake news during all his 4 years in the Government. Even yesterday Twitter and Facebook were marking his last messages as “fake news”… And still people can support someone who has been lying for 4 years? Shocking…

This is Donald Trump: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-46175024

@banzee:

All of that should, and probably will be reported, but really, like the european guy, I think it's hard to think about fraud in an election, i'm from Chile, not european, not developed nation, but here frauds in elections are really unusual, like in europe and that maybe makes it hard for us to grasp that in the so called best country of the world these things happen.
Also, here at least, we don't hate Trump, but its really shocking to see how many people of such an important country elects a complete ignorant man, that defies science and facts, that acts without listening advice and that shamessly lie, but guess we all have what we deserve, we got a billionare thief here, elected twice, so there's no way i'm criticizing, just amazed

You don't hate Trump, but you call him names.  Even WHO, CDC, etc, etc, etc have flip-flopped on what is best to do for C-19.

China and WHO lied for several months about C-19.

The WHO said that we need to use C-19 to change the world politically.  The WHO has no business being political.  Their mandate is strictly about health.