Does it matter that match? At least now it can be controlled.

I think it does matter.  If people who believe baseless conspiracy theories about HIV are unchallenged, they can believe baseless conspiracy theories about other things…like 5G mobile towers cause coronavirus, or the Earth is flat.  Some of these are silly and harmless (like the flat Earth), while others can cause harm in society.

:D_

But on the issue of HIV, we know it's been killing people for almost a century now.  That's too long ago for someone to have used recombinant DNA techniques to manufacture a virus.

Brother Allenson has this right.  That HIV originated in primates in Africa is established scientific fact.  Conspiracy theorists who claim otherwise need to go home and polish their tinfoil hats.

As to whether there was this nasty conspiracy to weaponize HIV against blacks and gay people…there is absolutely evidence of this, whereas the transmission vectors from monkey to African humans to Western humans are well-understood and are in line with, again, thoroughly established epidemiological data.  There was no conspiracy here.

The problem with conspiracy theories like "HIV is man-made" or "HIV doesn't cause AIDS--or even illness" is that there's no factual evidence to support them, while a boatload of evidence supports the true account.  People who invent off-base theories need to find data and conduct research to back up their theories, not just shout them over and over again.

@pols1337:

How did this OP go from an article that factually identified the origins of HIV as chimpanzees in West AFrica to … "it's man-made"?

If you want to say crazy shit on forums, then at least pretend to cite an article that actually backs up your claims LOL.

Well put, but expecting someone prone to conspiracy theories to be rational is, um, optimistic at best.

I don't know that much about it.. but.. it seems MORE likely that it existed in primates, and was genetically adapted to be weaponized.  Possibly to kill off black people.. possible to kill off gay people.  I'm speculating based upon who the VICTIMS have been.

How did this OP go from an article that factually identified the origins of HIV as chimpanzees in West AFrica to … "it's man-made"?

If you want to say crazy shit on forums, then at least pretend to cite an article that actually backs up your claims LOL.

Well put, but expecting someone prone to conspiracy theories to be rational is, um, optimistic at best.

If you want to say crazy shit on forums, then at least pretend to cite an article that actually backs up your claims LOL.  :crazy2:

There's a difference between a virus being CREATED and USED.

Precisely!

Other animals have a version of HIV, so it's not a surprise we have our own.

Most scientists believe it's mutated form of ape (of whatever species) HIV.

As an example,  Rhesus Macaque Monkeys carry many deadly human diseases but are immune to the diseases themselves.   This is why they were a favorite test subject for drug and virus testing.  There's a wild colony (thanks to animal rights twats) in Florida who have an extremely deadly, to humans, type of herpes that they are immune to.    Unlike typical human herpes that affects the skin, the RMMs carry a type that attacks internal organs.   Chickens have an almost identical type of herpes that is fine, at least for now, for humans to come in contact with.

This is the correct answer. I didn't realise joining a torrent site would come with a side helping of conspiracy theorists.

The real HIV conspiracy is that right wing Adminstrations like Reagan's knew about the rising rates of HIV infections and did nothing to help anyone.

While we might be able to create viruses now, the first confirmed AIDS cases date back to the 1920s in what was the Belgian Congo.

They didn't have the knowledge back then and we don't have time machines now.

Are you sure?

@raphjd:

@fletch18:

I smell conspiracy theory/bullshit.

While I agree with you on this topic, we can't forget that many, many conspiracy theories have been proven true.   About a decade ago,  compiled a list of over 500 CTs that turned out to be true, on another site.

And many more have been proven to be bullshit ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I don't disagree.

The point is, you never fully know until the proof is provided.

https://www.theaidsinstitute.org/education/aids-101/where-did-hiv-come-0

I find the origin of HIV a bit shady, and that scientists made HIV to kill off gay people and black people in Africa

This is definitely true. Just like how 9/11 is a false flag and how John Travolta is actually straight. Keep up the good fight beststriker. The aliens are upon us!

@fletch18:

I smell conspiracy theory/bullshit.

While I agree with you on this topic, we can't forget that many, many conspiracy theories have been proven true.   About a decade ago,  compiled a list of over 500 CTs that turned out to be true, on another site.

And many more have been proven to be bullshit ¯_(ツ)_/¯

But on the issue of HIV, we know it's been killing people for almost a century now.  That's too long ago for someone to have used recombinant DNA techniques to manufacture a virus.

I smell conspiracy theory/bullshit.

While I agree with you on this topic, we can't forget that many, many conspiracy theories have been proven true.   About a decade ago,  I compiled a list of over 500 CTs that turned out to be true, on another site.

They didn't have the knowledge back then and we don't have time machines now.

Most scientists believe it's mutated form of ape (of whatever species) HIV.

As an example,  Rhesus Macaque Monkeys carry many deadly human diseases but are immune to the diseases themselves.  This is why they were a favorite test subject for drug and virus testing.  There's a wild colony (thanks to animal rights twats) in Florida who have an extremely deadly, to humans, type of herpes that they are immune to.    Unlike typical human herpes that affects the skin, the RMMs carry a type that attacks internal organs.  Chickens have an almost identical type of herpes that is fine, at least for now, for humans to come in contact with.

I'm not saying that HIV or any other disease didn't have a human hand in it, because as we all should know by now that governments do create super viruses and whatnot, despite international law.