@cteavin:

@Frederick:

Yes, the US Constitution is a bit vague.   I wasn't even aware of the Texas clause.   
Here is a good source for explaining it. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

Then there is the issue of the Gold Rush of the mid to late 1800's and the Civil War morphing into the wiping out of the American Indians in the late 1800's.  The 100's of various nomadic indian tribes were constantly at war with each other, so that was inevitable.  Ironcially, it was not even battles that wiped out the indians… it was booze and disease.  That goes back to the abortion issue.. in that nobody gets wiped out unless the children and babies are wiped out.  Hillary Clinton's mentor Margaret Sanger who advocated abortions and even said that "Black people are like weeds!"   http://www.weeklystandard.com/sec.-clinton-stands-by-her-praise-of-eugenicist-margaret-sanger/article/28444

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/25/how-the-civil-war-became-the-indian-wars/

Whoa, whoa, whoa there, partner. Like Rick & Morty, you've just crossed through several different realities in a single paragraph.

Civil War being unconstitutional –> agreeing or disagreeing, I'm not sure --> Gold Rush and Civil War wipe out the Indians --> abortion --> Hilary --> Margrett Sanger.

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW

What are we talking about exactly?  :cheesy2:

Fake news!

@Frederick:

Yes, the US Constitution is a bit vague.   I wasn't even aware of the Texas clause.   
Here is a good source for explaining it. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

Then there is the issue of the Gold Rush of the mid to late 1800's and the Civil War morphing into the wiping out of the American Indians in the late 1800's.  The 100's of various nomadic indian tribes were constantly at war with each other, so that was inevitable.  Ironcially, it was not even battles that wiped out the indians… it was booze and disease.  That goes back to the abortion issue.. in that nobody gets wiped out unless the children and babies are wiped out.  Hillary Clinton's mentor Margaret Sanger who advocated abortions and even said that "Black people are like weeds!"   http://www.weeklystandard.com/sec.-clinton-stands-by-her-praise-of-eugenicist-margaret-sanger/article/28444

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/25/how-the-civil-war-became-the-indian-wars/

Whoa, whoa, whoa there, partner. Like Rick & Morty, you've just crossed through several different realities in a single paragraph.

Civil War being unconstitutional –> agreeing or disagreeing, I'm not sure --> Gold Rush and Civil War wipe out the Indians --> abortion --> Hilary --> Margrett Sanger.

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH

˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <– ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW <-- ʎɹɐlᴉH <-- uoᴉʇɹoqɐ <-- suɐᴉpuI ǝɥʇ ʇno ǝdᴉʍ ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ puɐ ɥsnɹ ploפ <-- ǝɹns ʇou ɯ,I 'ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐsᴉp ɹo ƃuᴉǝǝɹƃɐ <-- lɐuoᴉʇnʇᴉʇsuoɔun ƃuᴉǝq ɹɐM lᴉʌᴉƆ ˙ɹǝƃuɐS ʇʇǝɹƃɹɐW

What are we talking about exactly?  :cheesy2:

Yes, the US Constitution is a bit vague.   I wasn't even aware of the Texas clause.   
Here is a good source for explaining it. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

Then there is the issue of the Gold Rush of the mid to late 1800's and the Civil War morphing into the wiping out of the American Indians in the late 1800's.  The 100's of various nomadic indian tribes were constantly at war with each other, so that was inevitable.  Ironcially, it was not even battles that wiped out the indians… it was booze and disease.  That goes back to the abortion issue.. in that nobody gets wiped out unless the children and babies are wiped out.  Hillary Clinton's mentor Margaret Sanger who advocated abortions and even said that "Black people are like weeds!"   http://www.weeklystandard.com/sec.-clinton-stands-by-her-praise-of-eugenicist-margaret-sanger/article/28444

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/25/how-the-civil-war-became-the-indian-wars/

Whoa, whoa, whoa there, partner. Like Rick & Morty, you've just crossed through several different realities in a single paragraph.

Civil War being unconstitutional –> agreeing or disagreeing, I'm not sure --> Gold Rush and Civil War wipe out the Indians --> abortion --> Hilary --> Margrett Sanger.

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Hilary –> Margrett Sanger. Civil War being unconstitutional --> agreeing or disagreeing, I'm not sure --> Gold Rush and Civil War wipe out the Indians --> abortion --> Hilary --> Margrett Sanger.Civil War being unconstitutional --> agreeing or disagreeing, I'm not sure --> Gold Rush and Civil War wipe out the Indians --> abortion --> Hilary --> Margrett Sanger.Civil War being unconstitutional --> agreeing or disagreeing, I'm not sure --> Gold Rush and Civil War wipe out the Indians --> abortion --> Hilary --> Margrett Sanger.Civil War being unconstitutional --> agreeing or disagreeing, I'm not sure --> Gold Rush and Civil War wipe out the Indians --> abortion --> Hilary --> Margrett Sanger.

Margrett Sanger. Civil War being unconstitutional –> agreeing or disagreeing, I'm not sure --> Gold Rush and Civil War wipe out the Indians --> abortion --> Hilary --> Margrett Sanger.Civil War being unconstitutional --> agreeing or disagreeing, I'm not sure --> Gold Rush and Civil War wipe out the Indians --> abortion --> Hilary --> Margrett Sanger.Civil War being unconstitutional --> agreeing or disagreeing, I'm not sure --> Gold Rush and Civil War wipe out the Indians --> abortion --> Hilary --> Margrett Sanger.Civil War being unconstitutional --> agreeing or disagreeing, I'm not sure --> Gold Rush and Civil War wipe out the Indians --> abortion --> Hilary --> Margrett Sanger.

What are we talking about exactly?  :cheesy2:

@Frederick:

Yes, illegally.   The constitution gives states the right to secede, yet when they did, the north would not let them and attacked.

I'm grazing the surface of memory here but I believe you may be conflating the special clause granted to Texas, then an independent country, in joining the US with the interpretation that the Declaration of Independence guarantees a state the right to revolution ("it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"). That's what started the Civil War.

Yes, the US Constitution is a bit vague.  I wasn't even aware of the Texas clause. 
Here is a good source for explaining it. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

Then there is the issue of the Gold Rush of the mid to late 1800's and the Civil War morphing into the wiping out of the American Indians in the late 1800's.  The 100's of various nomadic indian tribes were constantly at war with each other, so that was inevitable.  Ironcially, it was not even battles that wiped out the indians… it was booze and disease.  That goes back to the abortion issue.. in that nobody gets wiped out unless the children and babies are wiped out.  Hillary Clinton's mentor Margaret Sanger who advocated abortions and even said that "Black people are like weeds!"  http://www.weeklystandard.com/sec.-clinton-stands-by-her-praise-of-eugenicist-margaret-sanger/article/28444

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/25/how-the-civil-war-became-the-indian-wars/

Yes, illegally.   The constitution gives states the right to secede, yet when they did, the north would not let them and attacked.

I'm grazing the surface of memory here but I believe you may be conflating the special clause granted to Texas, then an independent country, in joining the US with the interpretation that the Declaration of Independence guarantees a state the right to revolution ("it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"). That's what started the Civil War.

@Frederick:

@cteavin:

@Frederick:

@cteavin:

Yeah, it's unfortunate. We're going to have the national gun debate again. Tax reform might pass because people are both distracted and disheartened. And if and when we find out the shooter was a leftist, oh gawd, the divide will grow as if Moses were parting it.

I can't think of any reason why anybody in the country, including cops, should be able to buy or possess fully automatic weapons.  Other than the military, what possible purpose could a fully automatic weapon have?

If Sandy Hook didn't get gun legislation through then the Las Vegas incident won't, either. The only thing that could possibly push it through is for a shooter to open fire at an NRA convention and kill that SOB who's leading it.

I disagree, but the reason a reason to allow the sale of automatic weapons is to defend ourselves in case our government overreaches and we need a new American Revolution. If the British had abolished guns for the colonists we'd likely still be under the crown.

The constitution also has a provision for secession.. yet when the fully armed South tried doing that, the North illegally stopped them in the Civil War.

Illegally?

Yes, illegally.  The constitution gives states the right to secede, yet when they did, the north would not let them and attacked.

@cteavin:

@Frederick:

@cteavin:

Yeah, it's unfortunate. We're going to have the national gun debate again. Tax reform might pass because people are both distracted and disheartened. And if and when we find out the shooter was a leftist, oh gawd, the divide will grow as if Moses were parting it.

I can't think of any reason why anybody in the country, including cops, should be able to buy or possess fully automatic weapons.  Other than the military, what possible purpose could a fully automatic weapon have?

If Sandy Hook didn't get gun legislation through then the Las Vegas incident won't, either. The only thing that could possibly push it through is for a shooter to open fire at an NRA convention and kill that SOB who's leading it.

I disagree, but the reason a reason to allow the sale of automatic weapons is to defend ourselves in case our government overreaches and we need a new American Revolution. If the British had abolished guns for the colonists we'd likely still be under the crown.

The constitution also has a provision for secession.. yet when the fully armed South tried doing that, the North illegally stopped them in the Civil War.

Illegally?

@Frederick:

@cteavin:

Yeah, it's unfortunate. We're going to have the national gun debate again. Tax reform might pass because people are both distracted and disheartened. And if and when we find out the shooter was a leftist, oh gawd, the divide will grow as if Moses were parting it.

I can't think of any reason why anybody in the country, including cops, should be able to buy or possess fully automatic weapons.  Other than the military, what possible purpose could a fully automatic weapon have?

If Sandy Hook didn't get gun legislation through then the Las Vegas incident won't, either. The only thing that could possibly push it through is for a shooter to open fire at an NRA convention and kill that SOB who's leading it.

I disagree, but the reason a reason to allow the sale of automatic weapons is to defend ourselves in case our government overreaches and we need a new American Revolution. If the British had abolished guns for the colonists we'd likely still be under the crown.

It's interesting that the moonbats completely ignored the issue of gun control when Chicago (Obama's backyard) became a shooting gallery.

@Frederick:

@cteavin:

Yeah, it's unfortunate. We're going to have the national gun debate again. Tax reform might pass because people are both distracted and disheartened. And if and when we find out the shooter was a leftist, oh gawd, the divide will grow as if Moses were parting it.

I can't think of any reason why anybody in the country, including cops, should be able to buy or possess fully automatic weapons.  Other than the military, what possible purpose could a fully automatic weapon have?

If Sandy Hook didn't get gun legislation through then the Las Vegas incident won't, either. The only thing that could possibly push it through is for a shooter to open fire at an NRA convention and kill that SOB who's leading it.

I disagree, but the reason a reason to allow the sale of automatic weapons is to defend ourselves in case our government overreaches and we need a new American Revolution. If the British had abolished guns for the colonists we'd likely still be under the crown.

The constitution also has a provision for secession.. yet when the fully armed South tried doing that, the North illegally stopped them in the Civil War.

@cteavin:

Yeah, it's unfortunate. We're going to have the national gun debate again. Tax reform might pass because people are both distracted and disheartened. And if and when we find out the shooter was a leftist, oh gawd, the divide will grow as if Moses were parting it.

I can't think of any reason why anybody in the country, including cops, should be able to buy or possess fully automatic weapons.  Other than the military, what possible purpose could a fully automatic weapon have?

If Sandy Hook didn't get gun legislation through then the Las Vegas incident won't, either. The only thing that could possibly push it through is for a shooter to open fire at an NRA convention and kill that SOB who's leading it.

I disagree, but the reason a reason to allow the sale of automatic weapons is to defend ourselves in case our government overreaches and we need a new American Revolution. If the British had abolished guns for the colonists we'd likely still be under the crown.

@Frederick:

The news of the new Trump tax cuts / budget has been completely wiped off the news by:

OJ's release (supposedly went to Las Vegas - not kidding)
The 58 person massacre in Las Vegas
..and now it looks like singer Tom Petty might have died from heart attack at 66

Yeah, it's unfortunate. We're going to have the national gun debate again. Tax reform might pass because people are both distracted and disheartened. And if and when we find out the shooter was a leftist, oh gawd, the divide will grow as if Moses were parting it.

I can't think of any reason why anybody in the country, including cops, should be able to buy or possess fully automatic weapons.  Other than the military, what possible purpose could a fully automatic weapon have?

The news of the new Trump tax cuts / budget has been completely wiped off the news by:

OJ's release (supposedly went to Las Vegas - not kidding)
The 58 person massacre in Las Vegas
..and now it looks like singer Tom Petty might have died from heart attack at 66

Yeah, it's unfortunate. We're going to have the national gun debate again. Tax reform might pass because people are both distracted and disheartened. And if and when we find out the shooter was a leftist, oh gawd, the divide will grow as if Moses were parting it.