I'm not an EX-classic liberal, I am a classic liberal.

I refuse to wear the liberal name tag because of what modern liberals have done to it.

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Let's not forget the threads that called out conservative members, which were before this thread.    Would you have been happy if I punished those users?    I think not.

One of the rules is about lying about other users and staff.  Twice no Sutie has publicly accused me of using my admin status to "dox" him.  The first time it was explained that it was info open to all.    Shall I punish him for it, like I did for the last person who did a similar thing?  Liberals would have a fit.

Both sides have done many wrongs, but it's the liberals that are always crying for their enemies to by punished, while ignoring the sins of their own.

Here you go again with your "shoe on the other foot" arguments. I do not pretend to speak for others, but as for me, if you explained to sutie that the voting statistics were available to all and how to access them, and he again accused you of doxxing him, then he should have been reprimanded.  As for my own topics calling out certain member's  BEHAVIORS, I felt I had no recourse since there had been no response to my reports to the moderator and the perceived abuses continued to escalate.  If I remember correctly, I did not use the offending person's name, nor did I attack them personally in the title of the topic, the OP or thread, only the manner they chose to express their opinions.  If you, as moderator, thought the topic to be inappropriate and closed it or even deleted it, I would not have minded, because at least I would have been assured that my message had reached its intended target.  Hell, I would have accepted a warning if it meant my message was heard.

Now let me contrast the title of my topic complaining about mhorndisk with strangeloop's about Sutie.  I can't find mine exactly right now, but it  was something like "Replying to your own Posts," whereas his is "Sutieday surpasses Drwas as the biggest Troll on these Forums." Within my thread, I don't remember even calling mhorndisk a spammer, much less a troll throughout my entire thread. If strangeloop had started the thread with :downvoting has become Robotic, or some such thing relating to the offense rather than the offender, it would have been much less objectionable.

I don't know if you can setup a send-only email account on this site or any other.  If not I suggest you setup a gmail account that you will never read but would use only as administrator of the forum.  I think if we could get answers to our reports to the moderator, even if they are just a few words, you would see much less, if any, complaints about your role as moderator posted publicly.

Finally, again speaking for myself, I am not interested in having anyone "punished." The most I have sought was correction of behaviors that offend me and compliance with the rules to which we all  agree.

I refuse to wear the liberal name tag because of what modern liberals have done to it.

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Let's not forget the threads that called out conservative members, which were before this thread.    Would you have been happy if I punished those users?    I think not.

One of the rules is about lying about other users and staff.  Twice no Sutie has publicly accused me of using my admin status to "dox" him.  The first time it was explained that it was info open to all.    Shall I punish him for it, like I did for the last person who did a similar thing?  Liberals would have a fit.

Both sides have done many wrongs, but it's the liberals that are always crying for their enemies to by punished, while ignoring the sins of their own.

Instead:

"Everyone, from moderator to members, should be held to an ongoing standard of fairness and civility each day.  From time to time – and often, many times! -- we make these discussions harder than they need to be."

The fact (and I fully agree) that raphjd has been a dedicated volunteer for such a long time, simply makes the current situation of imbalance more regrettable.

However – I don't implore persons for fairness after they have willingly assumed the mantle of governance.  It should be a "default" behavior, and if that individual excels, they will be remembered for their gift of impartiality.

If they lose their fair-mindedness, are given many chances to right their course, and continue to act with inequity, then that failure will be their legacy.

Very eloquent, but I fear a bit too grandiose for this forum.  We discussing the moderation of a small P&D board, not the renegotiations of the Paris Climate Accord.

Raphjd has been a dedicated volunteer for a very long time.  No one wants to diminish that.  But when it comes to this forum, those of us who are frustrated can only implore him to be fairer, and ignore him when he isn't.  Now please, everybody, let's get back to discussing politics.

The fact (and I fully agree) that raphjd has been a dedicated volunteer for such a long time, simply makes the current situation of imbalance more regrettable.

However – I don't implore persons for fairness after they have willingly assumed the mantle of governance.  It should be a "default" behavior, and if that individual excels, they will be remembered for their gift of impartiality.

If they lose their fair-mindedness, are given many chances to right their course, and continue to act with inequity, then that failure will be their legacy.

Since you're writing directly in response to my post, where did I demand that "something must be done" about Reputation Power?

It's deceptive to insert that remark as you respond to my post, if your intent is to refer, instead, to some hazy group of others.

Do you ever put your cop hat on and have a good, long chat with yourself?

Please show me where I said YOU in my response.

I said LIBERALS, you know the group you and your loony buddies belong to.

Everyone in the group does not have to something to make the statement true.

As noted in posts above, raphjd, no one left of center is receiving an answer to their Reports to Moderator, because you've rapidly accelerated the amount and the intensity of your flaming the boards for your team.  So much so, imho, that you're either unable or unwilling to carry out your Forum duties with any semblance of neutrality.  From my vantage point, it has been a very notable deterioration in the mere weeks I've been here.

And more, I am no longer buying into the workability of the current "hat/no-hat" notion.  You can't taunt and flame the way you do now, and become a productive and neutral moderator an hour later.  To quote your (edit: "team's") political idol, I just call Fake! on all of that, and there's a stack of unanswered reports in your mailbox to back this up.

It makes me laugh, but I have to add your side's old canard:  "Yeah, reports you don't even read!!!"

Since you're writing directly in response to my post, where did I demand that "something must be done" about Reputation Power?

It's deceptive to insert that remark as you respond to my post, if your intent is to refer, instead, to some hazy group of others.

Do you ever put your cop hat on and have a good, long chat with yourself?

Please show me where I said YOU in my response.

I said LIBERALS, you know the group you and your loony buddies belong to.

Everyone in the group does not have to something to make the statement true.

Lock/Delete this thread please! I have already reported it.

Since you're writing directly in response to my post, where did I demand that "something must be done" about Reputation Power?

It's deceptive to insert that remark as you respond to my post, if your intent is to refer, instead, to some hazy group of others.

Do you ever put your cop hat on and have a good, long chat with yourself?

Please show me where I said YOU in my response.

I said LIBERALS, you know the group you and your loony buddies belong to.

Everyone in the group does not have to something to make the statement true.

It aint all about you, dearie.

I was referring to Sutie's false claim that I doxed him using my admin status.

We had a similar discussion about this in a previous thread.  I was accused of using my mod status to out liberals for en masse downvoting their enemies.  I explained it then, yet here we are again.

Sorry.  But not quoting sutieday in your post led to the confusion.

@flozen:

This thread was wrong-headed from the get-go.

If you have a beef with someone and you perceive it as a likely violation of the Forum's terms, then contact the Administrator directly.  Name-highlighting on thread titles is bush league.

As far as your concern about thumbs down – truly bigger than the G20 for you -- it's one of a dozen emojis available to evaluate each post, and forum members appear to have the right to never use them, or to use them as often as they please.

Meanwhile, you seem quite unconcerned by the green bar/red bar Reputation Power manipulation going on, as it's the conservatives playing with that statistic to their advantage.  The total posts from progressives on that topic?  Probably fewer than your own here, in this single-thread pity party.

You obviously needed some attention, and now you've had it, congratulations, perhaps someone will bake you a cake.

Liberals have used the downvote and liberals think there is nothing wrong with it.

As soon as conservatives start using the reputation, liberals are butt hurt demanding something must be done about it.

Since you're writing directly in response to my post, where did I demand that "something must be done" about Reputation Power?

It's deceptive to insert that remark as you respond to my post, if your intent is to refer, instead, to some hazy group of others.

Do you ever put your cop hat on and have a good, long chat with yourself?

I was referring to Sutie's false claim that I doxed him using my admin status.

We had a similar discussion about this in a previous thread.  I was accused of using my mod status to out liberals for en masse downvoting their enemies.  I explained it then, yet here we are again.

I was falsely accused, yet again, by a liberal.

You didn't participate in this thread?  You didn't call another user obnoxious.?  I don't understand why you call my post a false accusation. Are implying that I falsely accused you of criticizing stutieday when you clearly did?
If i think the premise of the entire thread is wrong and should be closed down and you disagree, that does not equate with a false accusation.

The aggressors here are now trying to portray themselves as victims. SAD.

As has been pointed out ad infinitum, the mhorndisk Vegan post was criticized  for its place here.  There were no ad hominem attacks.  If  sutieday had started a thread promoting jogging as the path to nirvana, he would have gotten the same reaction.
Finally if you thing downvoting is a "culture" and "real" the you should have designed the topic around that instead of calling two of the users on this boards trolls.

It's funny because I have a "warned" next to my name, because they reported me to the mods for saying, "nobody cares what you think."

No you got that warning because you were spmming up the board with inflammatory bullshit, posting numerous replies to your own threads all within the span of 15 minutes, and your constant name-calling.

So… facts.

This thread was wrong-headed from the get-go.

If you have a beef with someone and you perceive it as a likely violation of the Forum's terms, then contact the Administrator directly.  Name-highlighting on thread titles is bush league.

As far as your concern about thumbs down – truly bigger than the G20 for you -- it's one of a dozen emojis available to evaluate each post, and forum members appear to have the right to never use them, or to use them as often as they please.

Meanwhile, you seem quite unconcerned by the green bar/red bar Reputation Power manipulation going on, as it's the conservatives playing with that statistic to their advantage.  The total posts from progressives on that topic?  Probably fewer than your own here, in this single-thread pity party.

You obviously needed some attention, and now you've had it, congratulations, perhaps someone will bake you a cake.

Liberals have used the downvote and liberals think there is nothing wrong with it.

As soon as conservatives start using the reputation, liberals are butt hurt demanding something must be done about it.

Just when I thought leftist snowflakes were obnoxious….

So you know you're obnoxious.  Finally, some honesty from you.

Did it ever occur to you that there is no "Team Liberal" and that you are being petty.  Apparently everyone here except you knows that civility is about the language we use to treat each other, using words with respect and avoiding insults that have nothing to do with the matter being discussed.  I would argue that a downvote probably the polite and civil form of disagreement.  Stop playing the victim.

Pointing out your incivility and hypocrisy != playing the victim.  I could care less what any of you think of me.  I care about logic, truth and arguments.

It's pretty obvious to literally everyone that there is a "Team Liberal" whether they want to admit it or not.  It's especially apparent on topics that have nothing to do with pushing conservative politics.  Remember mhorndisks post on veganism?  This post had literally nothing to do with pushing conservative politics, yet all the benchwarmers on Team Liberal still gave him crap for it and perhaps you were all so excited to go up for bat that you all had magically the same opinion on the thread.

I'm simply here to remind you that the Tribalism by you and others is blatant and intense.  It's not well hidden as you think and it's not particularly clever.  It's more like sad and pathetic.  The downvote culture is real.

To be fair, perhaps you don't even realize yourself what you're doing. Is that the case?

TLDR: Your Tribalism is showing.

This thread was wrong-headed from the get-go.

If you have a beef with someone and you perceive it as a likely violation of the Forum's terms, then contact the Administrator directly.  Name-highlighting on thread titles is bush league.

As far as your concern about thumbs down – truly bigger than the G20 for you -- it's one of a dozen emojis available to evaluate each post, and forum members appear to have the right to never use them, or to use them as often as they please.

Meanwhile, you seem quite unconcerned by the green bar/red bar Reputation Power manipulation going on, as it's the conservatives playing with that statistic to their advantage.  The total posts from progressives on that topic?  Probably fewer than your own here, in this single-thread pity party.

You obviously needed some attention, and now you've had it, congratulations, perhaps someone will bake you a cake.

Ahhh more white knighting.  You guys never tire of being so predictable.  You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I care about internet points.  To be fair, you're not the only one.  Let me tell you, if I did care, I'd be on reddit farming up the karma, not on a relatively obscure political forum.  lol internet points.

I'm simply pointing out the incivility of a certain user and group, and proving the lie of "civility" that you pretended to desire.  Sutieday just lied and said that "Rapjhd doxxed someone."  He proved that he goes through peoples profiles and downvotes all their posts.  Is that "civil" or…?  To be fair, he's not the only one, Drwas did the same thing.

The fact that I also get to call out again the hypocrisy and Tribalism of Team Liberal here is simply icing on the cake that "perhaps someone will bake" for me.

If you have a beef with someone and you perceive it as a likely violation of the Forum's terms, then contact the Administrator directly.  Name-highlighting on thread titles is bush league.

As far as your concern about thumbs down – truly bigger than the G20 for you -- it's one of a dozen emojis available to evaluate each post, and forum members appear to have the right to never use them, or to use them as often as they please.

Meanwhile, you seem quite unconcerned by the green bar/red bar Reputation Power manipulation going on, as it's the conservatives playing with that statistic to their advantage.  The total posts from progressives on that topic?  Probably fewer than your own here, in this single-thread pity party.

You obviously needed some attention, and now you've had it, congratulations, perhaps someone will bake you a cake.

It is clear that mischievous individuals posting as conservatives or rightwingers are flocking to this board to cause havoc. In fact, the ratio of user directed attacks on this board is more common among them as well.