I just want to briefly say that I believe the issue of agriculture is something to be discussed regarding policies that affect politics, as our lawmakers work with such agencies as the USDA, especially since global warming is a big piece of it. I didn't necessarily bring that piece in originially, because I knew it would come about. If you like to eat chicken, like some of you have stated, so does Trump, and I don't hate either of you for it. I do believe that it is better for our bodies to stop shoveling meat into our mouths (unless it's cock of course) so much, it is better for the environment, and it is the leading cause of environmental destruction. I also have been critical of Leonardo DiCaprio and other Limousine Liberals on here. So here I will agree with the liberal side on this, and not so much with Trump. That's all I wanted to say. I can't even say something that shows I'm not necessarily your enemy without being ganged up on, so I am going to focus on other stuff because it really seems kinda pointless.

Nobody ganged up on you dude.  If you had brought up the agriculture/global warming aspect no one would have protested its presence on this board.  The other jokes were about the subject in general and not made at your expense.  It didn't help that this was one of the umpteenth in a day, including some with very inflammatory titles.  I think you will find your posts better received if you keep them fewer and focused.  Otherwise, the human reaction is to tune out.
And remember not everyone here, or maybe  even most people here will not agree with you.  Don't take it personally.  If you don't attack me personally, I won't attack you personally.

I think sutieday was referring to mhorndisk's other vegan thread which was moved to rants and raves.  In that post, mhorndisk actually mentions that he has given trump a pass on his meat-loving.

And?

As I mentioned, no U.S. president has ever been vegan.  You can hardly find a single person you agree with on everything completely, much less a president.  In Sutieday's own words,  that one can't "support veganism whilst also supporting #45" is absurd.

Like with liberalism, you rarely see moderate vegans calling out the fanatics.

I like Vegan Athlete because he's into growing your own, like us.  BUT, you will never see him call out Vegan Gains and "vegan hitler" (don't know her user name, but this is her social media nickname for her extremism) for their calls to fellow vegans to do physical harm to non vegans.  "Good" vegans like to pretend they don't exist or bury their head in the sand about the extremists in their ranks.

@sutieday:

I've attacked his posts and his argument (Supporting veganism whilst also supporting #45).

As far as I know, there has been no U.S. president that has EVER been vegan/vegetarian.  And yet I'm sure tons of vegetarians vote and support various presidents.  This is one of your weakest arguments yet, and that's saying something:

Mhorndisk: "I'm vegetarian and think people shouldn't eat meat"
Sutieday: "You support Trump, therefore ARUGMENT INVALID!"

Really?  That's the hill you want to die on here?  This topic has been made so pointlessly tribalistic by you and others here, totally without any valid reason.

And yes, that is sick.  The extreme tribalism you so casually demonstrate is a sickness that has gripped the U.S. and the world at large of late.

I think sutieday was referring to mhorndisk's other vegan thread which was moved to rants and raves.  In that post, mhorndisk actually mentions that he has given trump a pass on his meat-loving.
https://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=51108.msg278190#new

I've attacked his posts and his argument (Supporting veganism whilst also supporting #45).

As far as I know, there has been no U.S. president that has EVER been vegan/vegetarian.  And yet I'm sure tons of vegetarians vote and support various presidents.  This is one of your weakest arguments yet, and that's saying something:

Mhorndisk: "I'm vegetarian and think people shouldn't eat meat"
Sutieday: "You support Trump, therefore ARUGMENT INVALID!"

Really?  That's the hill you want to die on here?  This topic has been made so pointlessly tribalistic by you and others here, totally without any valid reason.

And yes, that is sick.  The extreme tribalism you so casually demonstrate is a sickness that has gripped the U.S. and the world at large of late.

@sutieday:

I haven't attacked mhorndisk in this thread. I've attacked his posts and his argument (Supporting veganism whilst also supporting #45). So, being critical of someones argument/position does not mean you are attacking them directly.

Yes, agreed.  This mhorndisk thread began with the rather unusual fusing of being a vegan, and still supporting Trump, the meat eater.  And that doesn't make for viable political discourse.

As an aside, I have begun reducing my intake of animal "meat" proteins, in equal parts for health and concern for animals.  If mhorndisk wants to write more on vegetarianism or veganism in the Health and Fitness or Chit Chat boards, I certainly would have no beef with that.

Keep up the good work and don't chicken out.

I haven't attacked mhorndisk in this thread. I've attacked his posts and his argument (Supporting veganism whilst also supporting #45). So, being critical of someones argument/position does not mean you are attacking them directly.

Yes, agreed.  This mhorndisk thread began with the rather unusual fusing of being a vegan, and still supporting Trump, the meat eater.  And that doesn't make for viable political discourse.

As an aside, I have begun reducing my intake of animal "meat" proteins, in equal parts for health and concern for animals.  If mhorndisk wants to write more on vegetarianism or veganism in the Health and Fitness or Chit Chat boards, I certainly would have no beef with that.

You guys are sick.  You see a post by a particular user and can do nothing but attack him for it.

I haven't attacked mhorndisk in this thread. I've attacked his posts and his argument (Supporting veganism whilst also supporting #45). So, being critical of someones argument/position does not mean you are attacking them directly.

If I were name calling (i.e. calling someone sick) then that would be directly attacking someone. 

I left this here HOPING  that there would be a political angle, as promised.

Also, I'm not a paid employee, so I have to work to feed myself.   I can't be here 24/7.

I know you volunteer your time and it is a thankless job. At least from yours truly, it is appreciated.

@pppucci:

Raphjd lives in England, which is 5 hours ahead of Eastern time.  He usually does log on around this time.  Be patient.

I live in Scotland.    >:D

Sorry, I should have said Great Britain. I was just going by the flag in your profile.

@pppucci:

Re-read the threads.

I'm not talking about the other threads, I'm talking about this thread.

While it may reduce your carbon footprint, Veganism is not a political issue and not conducive to debate.

Do you even realize you just claimed that an issue affecting carbon footprint/climate change is not political?  Even without that connection, the claim that veganism isn't a political topic clearly doesn't pass the smell test:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK396510/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_and_animal_rights
https://www.quora.com/Is-veganism-a-political-choice

I believe mhorndisk is completely sincere in his beliefs, and I respect him for that, but he often uses this board as a soapbox, with not intention of listening to others.

Mhorndisk is unique among users here in that regard, is he?

Well actually, he is.  I think raphjd is open to debate.  I think Frederick likes to bait and troll primarily.  The politics is only a means to that end. I don't know you long enough to judge.  I haven't been around the board long enough to know Drwas either, but I can see by reviewing the past topics that he was guilty of spamming the board.
If the board deteriorated into two platforms where each side proclaims their beliefs without listening to the other, and simply hurls endless epithets, then we'd might as well merge it with Rants and Raves.

Also, I'm not a paid employee, so I have to work to feed myself.  I can't be here 24/7.

Raphjd lives in England, which is 5 hours ahead of Eastern time.  He usually does log on around this time.  Be patient.

I live in Scotland.    >:D

Re-read the threads.

I'm not talking about the other threads, I'm talking about this thread.

While it may reduce your carbon footprint, Veganism is not a political issue and not conducive to debate.

Do you even realize you just claimed that an issue affecting carbon footprint/climate change is not political?  Even without that connection, the claim that veganism isn't a political topic clearly doesn't pass the smell test:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK396510/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_and_animal_rights
https://www.quora.com/Is-veganism-a-political-choice

I believe mhorndisk is completely sincere in his beliefs, and I respect him for that, but he often uses this board as a soapbox, with not intention of listening to others.

Mhorndisk is unique among users here in that regard, is he?

You guys are sick.  You see a post by a particular user and can do nothing but attack him for it.  Want to talk about his other posts, which I agree some are crossing the civility line?  Sure.  But there was literally nothing offensive in this post whatsoever.

By the way, I agree with you mhorndisk on this topic.  We should all strive to eat less meat, because it is just the right thing to do.  A diet without meat has a much smaller carbon foot print (which is clearly a connection to political issues btw), is healthier, and reduces the suffering of animals.

It's hilarious that people claim to be liberal in here, but attack mhorndisk on a topic where he is liberal and politely professes a liberal perspective.

This should've been a thread used to find common ground.  Instead, you guys just attack him because of Tribalism.  Sad!

Re-read the threads.  No one was attacking mhorndisk personally, they were just protesting that the post was on this board at all and not moved to rants and raves  or cooking.  While it may reduce your carbon footprint, Veganism is not a political issue and not conducive to debate. I believe mhorndisk is completely sincere in his beliefs, and I respect him for that, but he often uses this board as a soapbox, with not intention of listening to others.

You guys are sick.

When suddenly a wild Strangeloop appears!

By the way, I agree with you mhorndisk on this topic.  We should all strive to eat less meat, because it is just the right thing to do.  A diet without meat has a much smaller carbon foot print (which is clearly a connection to political issues btw), is healthier, and reduces the suffering of animals.

It's hilarious that people claim to be liberal in here, but attack mhorndisk on a topic where he is liberal and politely professes a liberal perspective.

This should've been a thread used to find common ground.  Instead, you guys just attack him because of Tribalism.  Sad!

Don't let the OP see this, he just might lose his support for Trump.

oDon't worry.  he has already forgiven him in another thread.  https://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=51108.msg278190#new

Should I feel bad having read this post while eating a chicken leg? Nah. It's not like the animals we eat will rise up and fight back….

You don't understand. Mhorndisk is worried about those cow farts leading to global warming.

Yea right flozen, policies are shaped around agriculture that affect our daily lives.

We can also say that rock music is political, modern art is political, our water-intensive lawns are political, breastfeeding in public is political – there are too many of these adjunct topics to include in P&D without diluting the core issues at hand.

Here, your entreaties for us not to eat meat for the sake of the animals, or our better health, falls more under social justice (toward animals) or wellness tips, respectively.

They are not quite politics as measured by the hundreds of threads that have preceded it in P&D.  And the first "meat post," now moved to R&R, was particularly overheated, which didn't help matters.