@Frederick:

Plan B = the name given to "Day After Pills"

But I thought life began at conception!  :rotfl:

I honestly have no idea what you are laughing about.  You must be a real sicko.

Anyway.. while on the topic of Day After Pills.. that is just a "nice name" given to them.  They are also used to induce abortions in the second trimester - but that requires more than one pill.  They don't work in the 3rd trimester, because by that time, the baby is developed enough to survive without being mortally linked to the mother.  I suppose you think that is funny also.  I am saddened and disgusted that people like you exist.  :cry2:

Trump was OK with "partial birth abortion" in 1999 "I am pro-choice in every respect"

"Partial-birth abortion" is illegal in the U.S.
Late-term abortion is illegal in most of the U.S.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/21/late-term-abortions-in-america-2016

While that is technically true, it is actually false.  There are doctors that advertise that they provide 3rd term abortions.  There are legal loopholes to do them, and they do them.. often.  As for the method.. they have to use the partial-birth method, otherwise it would be considered murder.

Even at his "worst", Trump said he HATED the idea of abortion, but would not pursue a ban on it.  You really need to stop spinning people's words from 18 years ago.  Try dealing with the words of TODAY.
Hillary STILL boldly and proudly defends and promotes the right to guilt-free, government subsidized, partial birth abortions up to the very day of delivery.

@Dene:

@Frederick:

@aadam101:

You are so sadly mistaken.  Most unwanted children end up in between A and B.  They up in and out of foster care their entire lives.  They get abused, the state takes them away, the parents (usually just the mother) cleans herself up, they get sent back, they get abused again and the process repeats itself over and over.  In the meantime she is still having more children and they are all going through this (and sometimes not at the same time).  Foster care has an extremely low adoption rate.  Most kids never end up on an adoption track.  It costs states $40k per year per child.  An abortion costs $600.

I could get behind the anti abortion folks if they were willing to pony up the cash and fund that $40k per year.  They only care about fetuses.  They don't give a damn about actual children.

Genuine question.. when did she say this ?
Anybody who would even consider allowing a full term baby to have it's spinal cord severed hours before birth is beyond contempt.  Hillary Clinton is such a person.   I dare anybody to say that they defend the right to have such an abortion.

Clinton never did. In fact, she's been open to partial-birth abortion bans before. Which is dumb as hell because they're extremely rare and always because the mother's life is at extreme risk.

I'm sorry, but per our agreement, you can only post scholarly works that have been peer reviewed.

"Partial-birth abortion" is illegal in the U.S.
Late-term abortion is illegal in most of the U.S.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/21/late-term-abortions-in-america-2016

The Partial Birth Abortion thing

DOESN'T FUCKING HAPPEN HERE

Plan B = the name given to "Day After Pills"

But I thought life began at conception!  :rotfl:

@aadam101:

I can't find any Clinton quotes.  I'm sure Frederick has plenty of them though right?

You didn't look very hard then.  You can start with the youtube videos I provided.

That video didn't support any of the claims you made.  Hillary made statements that support the current law in the US.  Republicans know damn well that you can't just pick and choose the laws you want to follow…..right?

FYI: re: c section - its 1/3 not 1/2 but i get your point - if a baby can be saved in an incubator and mum is fine then this is the way to go

It peaked at about 1/2, and is now declining to 1/3.  Frankly even 1/3 is WAY too high.  The reason for it is that americans tend to be very out of shape compared to other animals.  People who are "fit" don't have great difficulty with vag delivery.

It's interesting that the woman "Roe" in "Roe vs Wade" changed her mind about abortion years after she won that case, and was AGAINST abortion til the day she died.  She realized that abortion should not be abused as a form of trivial birth control.  My dad's second wife desperately wanted to have a baby GIRL.  She finally managed to get pregnant, had a sonogram, and it was a BOY.  She didn't want a boy, so she had an abortion!  How creepy is that?

I can't find any Clinton quotes.  I'm sure Frederick has plenty of them though right?

You didn't look very hard then.  You can start with the youtube videos I provided.

I can't find any Clinton quotes.  I'm sure Frederick has plenty of them though right?

If what I posted was "bullshit on all accounts" I'm certain I'll be seeing a bunch of verified primary sources linked to everything I've said.

@zerocoo666:

Clinton never did. In fact, she's been open to partial-birth abortion bans before. Which is dumb as hell because they're extremely rare and always because the mother's life is at extreme risk.

Bullshit on all counts.
Hillary has consistently proudly and boldly defended the right of women to have guilt-free, taxpayer paid, abortions on demand, up until the very day of delivery.

Third term abortions are NOT rare at all.  The number of abortions per year varies between 1 and 3 million.  That is 1 to 3 million too many. 
Just how many 3rd term abortions do you consider to be "very rare"? 
What IS extremely rare is when the mother's life is at risk during a pregnancy. 
By the way.. what is considerably dangerous is having an abortion to begin with.  It's far riskier to have an abortion than to carry a baby full term.  When they go up that snatch with their scissors, knives, vacuums, scrapers, and chemicals.. all sorts of things can go wrong.

Also.. 3rd term means  6 to 9 months.   Hospitals can now take 6 months old unborn babies, put them in an incubator, and they do just fine.  Assuming that the mother's life is at risk in the 3rd trimester, there is no reason why they could not do a cesarean and stick the baby in an incubator.  About half of hospital births are cesarean anyway.

Youtube Video

An opinion piece on youtube is not telling me when she said what you said she said.. Anyway, My understanding is that 3rd term abortions are illegal in most places.. so it is going to be kinda hard to know numbers

FYI: re: c section - its 1/3 not 1/2 but i get your point - if a baby can be saved in an incubator and mum is fine then this is the way to go

Clinton never did. In fact, she's been open to partial-birth abortion bans before. Which is dumb as hell because they're extremely rare and always because the mother's life is at extreme risk.

Bullshit on all counts.
Hillary has consistently proudly and boldly defended the right of women to have guilt-free, taxpayer paid, abortions on demand, up until the very day of delivery.

Third term abortions are NOT rare at all.  The number of abortions per year varies between 1 and 3 million.  That is 1 to 3 million too many. 
Just how many 3rd term abortions do you consider to be "very rare"? 
What IS extremely rare is when the mother's life is at risk during a pregnancy. 
By the way.. what is considerably dangerous is having an abortion to begin with.  It's far riskier to have an abortion than to carry a baby full term.  When they go up that snatch with their scissors, knives, vacuums, scrapers, and chemicals.. all sorts of things can go wrong.

Also.. 3rd term means  6 to 9 months.  Hospitals can now take 6 months old unborn babies, put them in an incubator, and they do just fine.  Assuming that the mother's life is at risk in the 3rd trimester, there is no reason why they could not do a cesarean and stick the baby in an incubator.  About half of hospital births are cesarean anyway.

Youtube Video

@Frederick:

@aadam101:

You are so sadly mistaken.  Most unwanted children end up in between A and B.  They up in and out of foster care their entire lives.  They get abused, the state takes them away, the parents (usually just the mother) cleans herself up, they get sent back, they get abused again and the process repeats itself over and over.  In the meantime she is still having more children and they are all going through this (and sometimes not at the same time).  Foster care has an extremely low adoption rate.  Most kids never end up on an adoption track.  It costs states $40k per year per child.  An abortion costs $600.

I could get behind the anti abortion folks if they were willing to pony up the cash and fund that $40k per year.  They only care about fetuses.  They don't give a damn about actual children.

Genuine question.. when did she say this ?
Anybody who would even consider allowing a full term baby to have it's spinal cord severed hours before birth is beyond contempt.  Hillary Clinton is such a person.   I dare anybody to say that they defend the right to have such an abortion.

Clinton never did. In fact, she's been open to partial-birth abortion bans before. Which is dumb as hell because they're extremely rare and always because the mother's life is at extreme risk.

@aadam101:

You are so sadly mistaken.  Most unwanted children end up in between A and B.  They up in and out of foster care their entire lives.  They get abused, the state takes them away, the parents (usually just the mother) cleans herself up, they get sent back, they get abused again and the process repeats itself over and over.  In the meantime she is still having more children and they are all going through this (and sometimes not at the same time).  Foster care has an extremely low adoption rate.  Most kids never end up on an adoption track.  It costs states $40k per year per child.  An abortion costs $600.

I could get behind the anti abortion folks if they were willing to pony up the cash and fund that $40k per year.  They only care about fetuses.  They don't give a damn about actual children.

Genuine question.. when did she say this ?
Anybody who would even consider allowing a full term baby to have it's spinal cord severed hours before birth is beyond contempt.  Hillary Clinton is such a person.   I dare anybody to say that they defend the right to have such an abortion.

You are so sadly mistaken.  Most unwanted children end up in between A and B.  They up in and out of foster care their entire lives.  They get abused, the state takes them away, the parents (usually just the mother) cleans herself up, they get sent back, they get abused again and the process repeats itself over and over.  In the meantime she is still having more children and they are all going through this (and sometimes not at the same time).  Foster care has an extremely low adoption rate.  Most kids never end up on an adoption track.  It costs states $40k per year per child.  An abortion costs $600.

I could get behind the anti abortion folks if they were willing to pony up the cash and fund that $40k per year.  They only care about fetuses.  They don't give a damn about actual children.

Anybody who would even consider allowing a full term baby to have it's spinal cord severed hours before birth is beyond contempt.  Hillary Clinton is such a person.  I dare anybody to say that they defend the right to have such an abortion.

I could get behind the anti abortion folks if they were willing to pony up the cash and fund that $40k per year.  They only care about fetuses.  They don't give a damn about actual children.

Plan Clinton - Partial Birth Abortion!

Not to mention she praised Margaret Sanger who started Planned Parenthood, and said that black people are weeds that need to be exterminated.  :afr2: Vomit

That's it!  Plan C = Plan CLINTON = Partial Birth Abortions!

Not to mention she praised Margaret Sanger who started Planned Parenthood, and said that black people are weeds that need to be exterminated.  :afr2: Vomit