No, this doesn't put me at odds with the left. I can denounce this awful behavior without turning my back on what I believe in. I could never be a conservative because I would have to hate certain parts of my identity to become a conservative. I am a proud black gay man and I could never knowingly support legislation or ideas that will hurt myself or the people I care about in my life. I do believe some conservatism is needed when it comes to balancing both the federal and state budgets, but other than that it is the complete opposite of what I believe in. I'd become independent before I ever become a conservative. I grew up and live in South Carolina. It would be a cold day in Hell before I align myself with someone as disgusting as Strom Thurmond or Joe Wilson. No amount of violence from the left would ever push me to support blatant racists.

I am also a gay man of color (hate that phrase but I disgress).  And that is one of my previously held beliefs that I ultimately questioned and found to be false.

Conservative on the whole, on the average, do not hate blacks or other minorities.

Here's a clear case in point: do you think any of us here who are conservatives actually hate you for being black?  We may talk mad trash to you and call you libtard or whatever, but never because you are black.  We also have different opinions on what should be considered "fair" in terms of racial issues, but by no means does that mean we hate you.

I'm not going to whitewash the racist deep south and racist past that I'm sure you must have experienced.  But just like the Democrats are no longer the party of the KKK or associated in anyway, the Republican party is changing… and quickly.  I'd say it's quickly becoming a party of Nationalism and Libertarianism, and no longer of deep social conservatism or religious conservatism.  To be fair, our conservative leaders are still lagging behind, but the change in the voice, the essence, the energy of the party is apparent to anyone who's become a part of it.

So I think I do understand where you're coming from.  But just like you aren't opposed to the Democratic party because of it's deeply racist past, by the same token, you should not forever condemn the Republican party.  Think about it.  Thanks.

No one has asked anyone here to apologise for the violence that someone else did.

All that has been asked is that liberals condemn the violence.

Violence is almost always wrong, especially when it's used to prevent the human rights of others, such as free speech.

Sorry - I know you didn't say apologies were needed. I was sort of on a train of thought there.

And yes, getting violent to prevent free speech, or in retaliation for someone peacefully exercising that right, or using free speech as an excuse to be violent is just counter productive, in my opinion.

All that has been asked is that liberals condemn the violence.

Violence is almost always wrong, especially when it's used to prevent the human rights of others, such as free speech.

Self Defence is the only way I can see physical altercation being ok.. as in if they hit you and you need to hit back to defend yourself or loved ones etc

Attacking people - verbally or physically in disagreement is too easy to do these days and Politics seems to bring out the worst in people. Emotions create attack and defence modes in people that are just scary - I have been part of that and seen it way too often, most recently on the internet.

I will not apologise for violence I was not responsible for or was inflicted by people I do not know at all. Just because I may sometimes share their political beliefs that doesn't suddenly mean they are miraculously forgiven for doing it or that I would do the same thing or condone it.

I know that some history buffs may point certain things out to me, where violence meant a group or groups got heard etc - but at what cost ?

You and Brian are the only 2 to condemn the violence by liberals and look at how your fellow liberals treat you.    They view as a traitor because you disagreed with them on a single topic.  It reminds me of C.S. Lewis saying the worst thing a christian can do is disagree with another christian in front of a non christian.

You and Brian committed treason in the eyes of your fellow liberals.  I can tell you that no conservative down voted you when you guys condemned the violence.  It was all your fellow liberals.  I'm also seeing your fellow liberals down voting your comments without reading them.  If they are reading them, they ignore your pro liberal stance.

@royalcrown89:

While I don't agree that we "love" violence, it is time for more of us on the left to condemn what has been happening on college campuses and other places lately. How come it's perfectly fine for a psycho like Dr. Cornel West to preach his craziness on college campuses across this country, including in some of the most conservative places, but it's not okay for Ann Coulter to give a speech about our country's broken immigration system? I do not agree with anything Ann Coulter says but at least she's talking about a real issue in this country. Why is she being silenced? No one has posted any response as to why people like her are being silenced with VIOLENCE. There have been acts of violence committed to stop people like her and Milo from speaking. I am liberal and I am against forced censorship. And I will keep saying this: IT IS ONE-SIDED.  :google:

Good for you for condemning the violence.

Of course, by doing so and truly admitting that there is a problem, that more and more liberals have become violent and left-wing extremism has grown tremendously, this puts you at odds with the establishment dogma, which flat out denies this.

You sound like me three or so years ago, about when I became conservative myself.  I saw our "side" being incredibly shitty, our side denying it and covering it up and accusing people who disagreed with all the usual -isms and -phobias.  This gave me pause, and I started to question some of my previously held beliefs.  Good luck on your journey.

No, this doesn't put me at odds with the left. I can denounce this awful behavior without turning my back on what I believe in. I could never be a conservative because I would have to hate certain parts of my identity to become a conservative. I am a proud black gay man and I could never knowingly support legislation or ideas that will hurt myself or the people I care about in my life. I do believe some conservatism is needed when it comes to balancing both the federal and state budgets, but other than that it is the complete opposite of what I believe in. I'd become independent before I ever become a conservative. I grew up and live in South Carolina. It would be a cold day in Hell before I align myself with someone as disgusting as Strom Thurmond or Joe Wilson. No amount of violence from the left would ever push me to support blatant racists.

@DCLXVI:

You people are downvoting my comments because I point out the logical flaws of raphjd's arguments? Whaaaaaaat? :afr:

That's sorta funny, actually. ;D

What logical flaws did you point out?  I read your posts again, and you didn't even claim to have pointed out logical flaws before this post.  You only asked for context, which was given to you… and then you didn't even concede the point that context was in fact given??

Typical liberal.

Generalization (faulty and hasty, that is) my dear, if you must know, is a logical fallacy. And goddangit, I am no liberal.

You sound like me three or so years ago, about when I became conservative myself.  I saw our "side" being incredibly shitty, our side denying it and covering it up and accusing people who disagreed with all the usual -isms and -phobias.  This gave me pause, and I started to question some of my previously held beliefs.  Good luck on your journey.

Bill Clinton got me to start questioning my being a liberal, with DOMA and DA,DT.    I stopped giving money to HRC because they were praising Clinton for those 2 things.

Let a conservative do the slightest bit of violence, even in self defense, and the liberals scream like bitches blaming ALL conservatives.  Oh but wait, when liberals do violence, it's not actually liberals doing it, but individuals or some fucked up "logic".

In another current/recent thread, a liberal said that liberals aren't committing acts of violence.  NOPE, it's individuals who are committing the acts of violence.

Clearly he's trying to separate liberals from their acts of violence.

Of course he ignores that groups like BAMN exist.  They are nothing but liberals who view violence as the best way to make their point.   TYT and many other liberals activeley praise the use of violence by liberals.

While I don't agree that we "love" violence, it is time for more of us on the left to condemn what has been happening on college campuses and other places lately. How come it's perfectly fine for a psycho like Dr. Cornel West to preach his craziness on college campuses across this country, including in some of the most conservative places, but it's not okay for Ann Coulter to give a speech about our country's broken immigration system? I do not agree with anything Ann Coulter says but at least she's talking about a real issue in this country. Why is she being silenced? No one has posted any response as to why people like her are being silenced with VIOLENCE. There have been acts of violence committed to stop people like her and Milo from speaking. I am liberal and I am against forced censorship. And I will keep saying this: IT IS ONE-SIDED.  :google:

Good for you for condemning the violence.

Of course, by doing so and truly admitting that there is a problem, that more and more liberals have become violent and left-wing extremism has grown tremendously, this puts you at odds with the establishment dogma, which flat out denies this.

You sound like me three or so years ago, about when I became conservative myself.  I saw our "side" being incredibly shitty, our side denying it and covering it up and accusing people who disagreed with all the usual -isms and -phobias.  This gave me pause, and I started to question some of my previously held beliefs.  Good luck on your journey.

You people are downvoting my comments because I point out the logical flaws of raphjd's arguments? Whaaaaaaat? :afr:

That's sorta funny, actually. ;D

What logical flaws did you point out?  I read your posts again, and you didn't even claim to have pointed out logical flaws before this post.  You only asked for context, which was given to you… and then you didn't even concede the point that context was in fact given??

Typical liberal.

You tried to deflect by doing the  NO TRUE SCOTSMAN on who are liberals.  Liberals didn't down vote you because, while you claimed they aren't real liberals, you still side with them.  It's like several years ago in the UK when the Prisons Minister said that sending women to prison violated their human right to shop and no feminists got butt hurt and screechy because they support the idea of never sending women to prison.

Considering that only 2 liberals have condemned the violence, out of how many, it's pretty clear that liberals have no problem with the violence.  Top that off with liberals down voting those posts condemning the violence, it's completely clear that liberals love the violence.

That's sorta funny, actually. ;D

Only 2 liberals here have condemned the violence.   They got down voted, not by conservatives, but by their fellow liberals when they did it.

If we want to look at outside of GT.ru, then we can look at TYT who fully support the violence.

CNN loves to downplay the wrongs by the left. They desperately tried to ignore the Chicago kidnapping, but once they did cover it, they refused to call it a hate crime, despite the confessions of the 4 kidnappers.   CNN also portrayed Mouldylocks as purely a victim, despite her tweets before and actions during the riot.   Raw footage shows her throwing a wine bottle about a minute before she got punched.  The still shot from that on CNN had the wine bottle edited out.

YouTube is great because you get to see videos from around the world.   This includes stuff mass media wish would die, such as Simone Sanders ridiculing white victims of black race based crime, such as the white guy who was beat up and had is car stolen because obviously a white guy had to vote for Trump or "there's a white guy, get 'im".   She also still claims that "hands up, don't shoot" is real despite Obama sending 100 FBI agents and them proving that it was totally false.

There are countless videos of liberals praising the "punch a Nazi" narrative.

Hell, liberals even have BAMN (By Any Means Necessary) who openly and publicly advocate for violence against conservatives.   The 2 women that head it have become media darlings, especially the school teacher.   Even the mayor of Berkeley is a member, which explains quite a few things.   We have 4Chan and Anonymous to thank for outing his ass on that.

The Mayor of Berkeley being a member of BAMN explains why "whites go around" was protected and white students who objected were arrested.  Doesn't the dictionary fallacy definition of racism say that racism must be institutional for it to be actual racism?   How much more institutional do you get that the full support of the mayor and police.

I have heard lots of progressives condemn the Berkeley conflicts as wrong. All depends on which news station you watch. Fox won't show both sides of a story and sometimes msnbc won't either. CNN seems to show more balance.

LOL You're brainwashed! CNN balanced??? OMG wow you really have issues. I hate calling people stupid, but that is very fucking dumb statement.

The Berkeley riot to prevent Milo from speaking where they set fire to the building Milo and others were in. Not only that, but at that same riot, they attacked 2 guys because they ASSUMED they agreed with Milo. They kept beating and stomping on them even after they were bloodied and unconscious in the street.

The 2 "women" who set the girl's hair on fire because she wore a Trump hat.

The "get your hands off my breasts" woman who blind sided a guy. The video shows he never touched her tits and she was just using it as an excuse to attack.

They're vicious, aren't they?

@raphjd:

The point is, liberals refuse to condemn them and down vote anyone who does.

Wait, no! Again, that's severely fallacious. Why do you love to generalize?

Let's recap a few;

The Berkeley riot to prevent Milo from speaking where they set fire to the building Milo and others were in.  Not only that, but at that same riot, they attacked 2 guys because they ASSUMED they agreed with Milo.  They kept beating and stomping on them even after they were bloodied and unconscious in the street.

The 2 "women" who set the girl's hair on fire because she wore a Trump hat.

The "get your hands off my breasts" woman who blind sided a guy.  The video shows he never touched her tits and she was just using it as an excuse to attack.

There are all kinds of things.

The point is, liberals refuse to condemn them and down vote anyone who does.

That's all you have?   You'll attack me, but not the talk about the issue I brought up.  Typical liberal.

I was really tempted to rustle your jimmies. ^-^

Okay to the topic~

One thing I noticed about you is your very dramatic generalization of liberals (people who adhere to the philosophies of liberalism).

(i.e., the topic's title, the last two sentences of your post)

And, I really don't know what 'liberalism' means to you. (I don't have a great understanding of US politics :P)

Wikipedia defines liberalism as…

"...a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality, and international cooperation."

Or do you have some other definition of what liberalism is? (I just want to clear things up.)

Back to the topic of violence.

One, your post is lacking. We need CONTEXT. To an outsider who doesn't follow the political ramblings of the queers of gaytor.rent, we have no idea what 'violence' you're speaking of. At least tell us what it isssssss.

Two, welp, I can't really say that much about the topic unless you tell us the whole majestic story.

So, provide context first. ::)

PS. Am I a liberal? Did you assume that I was purely because I attacked you? That's really not nice.