The only high ground the right have is the mountain off bullshit they produce.

the right wing has been manufacturing a jet-force stream of bullshit since at least the 1960's and it's astonishing that people still sip that poison tbqh.

Edit: There was one dumb young black millenial pro-Bernie girl who disrupted Hillary in my state at a private event bringing up a political statement that Hillary made back in the 90s, but she was quickly thrown out and Hillary was able to finish what she was saying.

HRC and her team handled that very poorly. This was actually an event where you had to PAY to get admittance, and HRC was not expecting to be questioned, but as someone running for office, she should have answered her. The problem was HRC and her team never said anything off the cuff. Everything had to be vetted and tested. It's one of the reasons she had such disastrous numbers for likability and trustworthiness.
I realize most people don't like DJT, but he doesn't hide or hedge his bets. He says what he thinks, and at the "core" of what he says is the truth– as he sees it. To me, it is refreshing to not feel like someone is just blowing smoke. DJT is also a really decent human being who is portrayed horribly. My husband has been in business with him for over 20 years and has even been sued by DJT, and they are still friendly. He doesn't hold grudges. Also, look at his kids and compare him to the kids of some other people with the same wealth. His kids are upstanding and aren't in the tabloids. That speaks volumes, too. My father is a self-made millionaire. Growing up much better off than most people I can tell you, in all honesty, it is easier to go off the rails and NOT achieve than it is to put in the work to succeed.

Libtards only care about group rights.

You immediately lost me with "libtards," and there are very few people on here (or anywhere) that are more conservative than I am. Calling names doesn't further discussion, but does seek to divide.

If that preacher was standing on the sidewalk, then he has every right to do it.

If he followed the couple, then that is harassment, which is illegal.

Because just as you have the right to free speech- people also have the right to react to what you say and do.
So there is a slippery slope between being able to say what you want, and expecting people to just sit aside and let you keep doing it.

Quick example- Say you and your partner are having a nice quiet dinner at a restaurant, not bothering anybody. Then some religious nut who objects to your lifestyle chooses to exercise free speech and begin a heated sermon right beside your table, telling you how you are going to hell, and burn like the whore/abomination/devilspawn that you are.

Does the establishment eject him and "stifle" his free speech? What about your rights to a quiet dinner? And say he does get ejected- he then hangs around outside and as you both exit and walk back to another place for a nightcap- he follows you and continues to spew his hateful statements. What then? Are you allowed to warn him off? Physically push him away? Get into a shouting match?

On a larger scale, the same can be raised about people who have a larger following than our random nutjob- say Milo Yiannopoulos - he invokes free speech to shamelessly attack and incite hatred with whoever it is he chooses to target- does he get to say it with impunity? There needs to be accountability. I guess my point is that as with any right, it comes with some responsibilities. And it's not always so easy to remain calm in the face of unfettered hatred.

There are arguments that can be made for violence when it comes to self-defense in a few rare extreme cases, but NOT to stop someone from speaking. That is ridiculous and I will continue to condemn it, and I will not buy the "both sides" argument because it is not both sides.

Lots of right wing groups have routinely called out and protested at speaking events of left leaning people. The heritage foundation even pays people to do it. The focus on the family organization has events scheduled in advance to protest speakers that they don't agree with and they and others like to gang up and try and force speakers down.
It pretty much the same from both sides, unfortunately. Look at many of Hillary Clintons campaign stops. She had people try and disrupt as much as Trump did, probably more.

BLM stopped Bernie rallies, not conservatives.

BLM hijacked the the Orlando vigil, not conservatives.

BLM hijacked countless PRIDE events, not conservatives.

Lots of right wing groups have routinely called out and protested at speaking events of left leaning people. The heritage foundation even pays people to do it. The focus on the family organization has events scheduled in advance to protest speakers that they don't agree with and they and others like to gang up and try and force speakers down.
It pretty much the same from both sides, unfortunately. Look at many of Hillary Clintons campaign stops. She had people try and disrupt as much as Trump did, probably more.

Whoa, whoa  :crap:
I'm sorry but there is a HUGE difference between protesting at a Clinton campaign stop and setting fire to buildings and cars to stop someone from speaking. I went to some Clinton campaign stops and no one ever shouted over her or Bill or anyone else who was speaking and this was in South Carolina. This is a red state and no one did anything disrespectful or harmful to stop anyone on the left from speaking. Agent Orange did call for his supporters to commit acts of violence at his rallies and there were a few incidents, but nothing on the level of what we've been seeing on the left. Are you aware that death threats (illegal btw) and acts of violence stopped Ann Coulter from giving a speech? Name a time in the past year where death threats kept a liberal from giving a speech. Once again, not even a left-wing psycho like Cornel West has been stopped from speaking. I am liberal and I am in no way trying to support conservatives, but they have a legitimate argument right now.

Edit: There was one dumb young black millenial pro-Bernie girl who disrupted Hillary in my state at a private event bringing up a political statement that Hillary made back in the 90s, but she was quickly thrown out and Hillary was able to finish what she was saying. That was pretty much as close Hillary got to being disrupted, and no one was hurt. Compare that to the destruction caused on college campuses to keep right-wing speakers from speaking. You simply cannot make the both sides arguments. I mean damn, look at what's happening in New Orleans right now. Are the pro-slavery and pro-confederacy supporters of those monuments rioting and burning down the city to keep those disgusting monuments up? There's been a few shoving but they have been protesting relatively peaceful compared to those idiots on the college campuses.

You don't speak for me. You are not my family. You can only speak for yourself. Rosie O'Donnell does not speak for me. Madonna does not speak for me. Michael Moore does not speak for me. Colbert does not speak for me. Obama does not speak for me. Ellen does not speak for me. YOU do not speak for me. I am an individual and only I speak for me. I don't care about group rights. That's pandering and group think like sheep and trying to box everyone into a victimhood mentality like OH you're one of us! I'm not one of you. I'm distinct you stupid bitches. I'm my own person, and I am not boxed into your little concept of what a gay person or your idea of a gay family is. Honestly you're just too stupid for me to want to associate with. You can literally go fuck yourself and get beheaded by ISIS since you love them so much and act like they're such wonderful people - go get it. I don't care.

Sure, now you are seeing counter protests by conservatives where things are getting violent.  However, you have to consider that there would be no violence if the liberals weren't doing their bullshit.    Portland OR has had violent clashes because conservatives are trying to keep traffic moving, while liberals are trying to shut down the city.

It doesn't matter which side advocates for free speech, liberals will hate it.  This shows that most liberals find it acceptable to set use violence to prevent free speech and agree with setting fire to occupied building to prevent free speech.

So far, only 2 liberals have defended free speech and condemned the violence.

That is why I no longer call myself a liberal and now despise liberals.  Only a tiny fraction of modern liberals are even remotely sensible.

Do you not actually see the difference?

Back then, they/we were fighting for real things.

Fighting for the rights of real LGBTs is a lot different than fighting to make people believe that some times wear jeans makes you gender fluid or that there are unlimited genders.

Riley Dennis is not trans.  He is a guy that wears eye shadow and girls tops.

Elliot Cope is not trans.  She is a girl who wants attention.  I mean, fucking really, a girl who claims to be a girl boy who likes to be a girl. It's Victor/Victoria on crack. As part of her bullshit, she has caused actual harm to the 1 real trans at her school.

Dakota is a self described "gender terrorist" who's gender changes every second and it's always a new gender.  Wearing tampons in your beard does nothing other than make you a freak.

We didn't fight for equality so NYC, Canada and others now punish people/businesses (depending on the place) for mis-gendering people, even on accident.    Imagine girly girl Elliot Cope walking into a NYC business.  She could kill that business because she plays at being a Trans boy who like being a girly girl.  $125,000 fine for each time a business in NYC ACCIDENTALLY mis-genders someone and $250,000 if it's on purpose.

It's this kind of shit that got me to stop identifying as a liberal and end up hating liberals.  There is nothing liberal about modern liberals.

raph is SOOOOOOOOOO triggered!

Back then, they/we were fighting for real things.

Fighting for the rights of real LGBTs is a lot different than fighting to make people believe that some times wear jeans makes you gender fluid or that there are unlimited genders.

Riley Dennis is not trans.  He is a guy that wears eye shadow and girls tops.

Elliot Cope is not trans.  She is a girl who wants attention.  I mean, fucking really, a girl who claims to be a girl boy who likes to be a girl. It's Victor/Victoria on crack. As part of her bullshit, she has caused actual harm to the 1 real trans at her school.

Dakota is a self described "gender terrorist" who's gender changes every second and it's always a new gender.  Wearing tampons in your beard does nothing other than make you a freak.

We didn't fight for equality so NYC, Canada and others now punish people/businesses (depending on the place) for mis-gendering people, even on accident.    Imagine girly girl Elliot Cope walking into a NYC business.  She could kill that business because she plays at being a Trans boy who like being a girly girl.  $125,000 fine for each time a business in NYC ACCIDENTALLY mis-genders someone and $250,000 if it's on purpose.

It's this kind of shit that got me to stop identifying as a liberal and end up hating liberals.  There is nothing liberal about modern liberals.

But, you know, it's the libcucks that are the cancer ruining society, etc.

You jumped into this thread to flame.  Gotcha.

If you're feeling angry darling, why not download a torrent and have a fap?

I'm in Europe darling, no one would pay attention to him here, so he went to stir something up over there. And you do the same type of trolling. Just do everyone a favour and join a debating society where arguing with this rubbush you spew will at least not be a waste of time.

@raphjd:

So you are denying the Berkley riot to prevent Milo from speaking?   REALLY?!

I don't agree with Milo on most things, but it does not change the facts that the riot and related events happened to prevent his free speech.

I noticed you ignored the other points I made.  I guess you have nothing to add to this or any discussion.

 Spam - flaming

I don't agree with Milo on most things, but it does not change the facts that the riot and related events happened to prevent his free speech.

I noticed you ignored the other points I made.  I guess you have nothing to add to this or any discussion.

@raphjd:

The left claim that they have the moral high ground, yet they hide their faces and use violence to make their point.

They will burn the American flag and talk about borders being racist, but refuse to burn the Mexican flag.   It shows they respect Mexico's borders, but not the US's borders.

They can't debate because they know their argument sucks, so they are left with name calling and violence.

They hate Blair White and Skylar because they are real trans, not the liberal "gender trenders" the left worships so much.

They hate free speech so much, that they are willing to set fire to buildings that people are in, to prevent free speech from happening.

They believe it's good to gang up on an already unconscious, bloody person and stomp on them and beat them with sticks because they MIGHT believe something you don't like.

They scream "nazi" at anyone who points out how fucking hypocritical they are in everything they stand for.

They find it acceptable for a male cuck, er um, feminist to punch a woman because she asked a difficult question.

It's ok for them to pour piss over someone's head because they disagree with you.

They refuse to condemn the violence their side uses, even when the other side condemns ALL violence.

They believe it's ok to prevent emergency vehicles from  getting through.

They believe it's ok for women to hit men, but men can't fight back.   But they're feminists, who cry for equality.

They say that men who don't make sure their female partner orgasms during sex is a selfish pig, but a sexist if he does.

They think it's ok to advocate aborting male babies, and using the hashtag #Not Another Monster

They cry for gender equality, until we try to give it to them, like equalizing the retirement age in the UK or sex crime and domestic violence laws in various countries.    That's when they get fucking butt hurt.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE CLAIMING THE MORAL HIGH GROUND.

This might be the single most ill-cited, ill-informed, illogical block of text I have ever read in my life. I'd be so embarrassed to actually hold these beliefs.

Prove my points wrong.

The Berkley riot to prevent Milo from speaking.  They set the building he and others were in on fire.  They also beat a guy unconscious and kept going.  The videos are out there showing these events.

The that cuck feminists is on video punching a woman reporter because he didn't like the question, because it made him look stupid.

Everything I said is true and most have been discussed her countless times.  Instead of getting butt hurt, tell me why I'm wrong.

Oh and I forgot to add, Liberals think they can claim muslim countries are gay utopias, then run away from the conversation when I insist they provide names of these countries.  This happened in a very recent thread.

The left claim that they have the moral high ground, yet they hide their faces and use violence to make their point.

They will burn the American flag and talk about borders being racist, but refuse to burn the Mexican flag.   It shows they respect Mexico's borders, but not the US's borders.

They can't debate because they know their argument sucks, so they are left with name calling and violence.

They hate Blair White and Skylar because they are real trans, not the liberal "gender trenders" the left worships so much.

They hate free speech so much, that they are willing to set fire to buildings that people are in, to prevent free speech from happening.

They believe it's good to gang up on an already unconscious, bloody person and stomp on them and beat them with sticks because they MIGHT believe something you don't like.

They scream "nazi" at anyone who points out how fucking hypocritical they are in everything they stand for.

They find it acceptable for a male cuck, er um, feminist to punch a woman because she asked a difficult question.

It's ok for them to pour piss over someone's head because they disagree with you.

They refuse to condemn the violence their side uses, even when the other side condemns ALL violence.

They believe it's ok to prevent emergency vehicles from  getting through.

They believe it's ok for women to hit men, but men can't fight back.   But they're feminists, who cry for equality.

They say that men who don't make sure their female partner orgasms during sex is a selfish pig, but a sexist if he does.

They think it's ok to advocate aborting male babies, and using the hashtag #Not Another Monster

They cry for gender equality, until we try to give it to them, like equalizing the retirement age in the UK or sex crime and domestic violence laws in various countries.    That's when they get fucking butt hurt.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE CLAIMING THE MORAL HIGH GROUND.

This might be the single most ill-cited, ill-informed, illogical block of text I have ever read in my life. I'd be so embarrassed to actually hold these beliefs.