Not surprisingly, the liberals still won't condemn their fellow liberals for telling lies about me, and others.

It says everything about liberals.

While my leanings are liberal (but not always)- I for one condemn personal attacks since they are pointless and accomplish nothing. I respect that you've got your views and the better you express them, the more respect I have.

For whichever side you're on- at least be well informed and more open minded. Otherwise there's no point in having a discussion. As for lies- the most frustrating thing is that these past months and years have seen the erosion of the line between lies and truth so much, it's always a struggle to tell them apart- but we should never stop trying.

It says everything about liberals.

@raphjd:

I'm not a Trump supporter

Ha! Thanks for making me laugh

You proved my point.  Not liking Hillary, makes me a Trump supporter in the eyes of liberals.

Once again, you are wrong about everything. 
First of all, I said conservatives also lie sometimes.. but usually have the right idea.  Liberals have to lie to promote their nonsense.
Indeed Hillary should be prosecuted and put in jail.. and that still could happen.  However, Trump decided that as long as she is staying at home baking cookies and cleaning the house, there is no point in wasting time and money on her. 
The repeal and replacement of Obamacare is being revived right now….
The wall hasn't even been built yet.. they are still taking bids from various contractors (many of whom are Hispanic).  After it's built, then comes time for Mexico to pay for it.

While you are on your high horse.. name one significant thing that Obama ever did?

Trump didn't say Lock her up unless she stays home making cookies! Hahaha! He said he will prosecute her and lock her up for her supposed crimes. But you know the real reason he isn't? He doesn't have enough proof.
And also- try to keep up with current events if you are going to debate here-Hillary is out and about and active. NOT baking cookies- she's criticizing Trump for trying to attack gay rights again. Here: https://www.usnews.com/news/ken-walshs-washington/articles/2017-04-21/hillary-clinton-criticizes-donald-trump-on-lgbt-rights

They are taking bids yes, but there is no way they are getting Mexico to pay for it. The Mexican President has more cojones than Trump does to fall for that. Again here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/26/mexican-president-cancels-us-visit-border-wall-nieto-trump
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-trailguide-updates-mexican-president-rejects-trump-s-1485404143-htmlstory.html

And as for Obama? Aside from winning TWO terms in office, and having a much better attended inauguration that left Trump purple with envy, Obama still managed to pass the Affordable Care Act. Obamacare is something the Republicans have FAILED to replace because they have nothing better to offer. Despite controlling all branches of government. And Obamacare just keeps getting more popular. Here: http://www.gallup.com/poll/207671/affordable-care-act-gains-majority-approval-first-time.aspx

This is how you debate and discuss politics Fred. Not by name calling, empty rhetoric or alt-facts. Try harder next time or don't bother at all. At least make it interesting.  :laugh:

@Frederick:

@raphjd:

The problem is, it's the liberals who are purposely using lies here on this site to end discussions they don't like.  Why aren't conservatives here using such extreme lies to get other users banned, like liberals are using?  It's a very one sided thing.

Why is an elementary teacher teaching her students that lieing about "the enemy" (read conservatives) is a good thing?

Why are liberals still maintaining Talcum X's lie that he's black?

without LIES..  LIbEralS would not exist…

Wow. Such insight. Such maturity.  Why do you need to resort to name calling and childish tactics like this? Did you run out of more creative insults or does the idea that there are also conservatives who lie too much for you to handle?

Here's an example of some research which shows all of Trump's lies in office so far. And no, you can't call it fake news just because you don't like what it's saying.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/?utm_term=.2a85e1fc8dfa

And how about Trump's lies about prosecuting and locking up Hillary after the election? Nope, not happening.
Or his promise to replace and repeal Obamacare? Nope. another lie. Fail!
And the border wall to be PAID FOR BY MEXICO? Big Lie! Good luck with getting that to happen.

See- all those examples are fact. Not lies, because as adults, we can tell the difference between reality and fantasy.
But, I guess it's way past your nappy time Fred. I won't borEu with more reasoned and thoughtful discussion. You're just too clever for me.  ::)

Once again, you are wrong about everything. 
First of all, I said conservatives also lie sometimes.. but usually have the right idea.  Liberals have to lie to promote their nonsense.
Indeed Hillary should be prosecuted and put in jail.. and that still could happen.  However, Trump decided that as long as she is staying at home baking cookies and cleaning the house, there is no point in wasting time and money on her. 
The repeal and replacement of Obamacare is being revived right now….
The wall hasn't even been built yet.. they are still taking bids from various contractors (many of whom are Hispanic).  After it's built, then comes time for Mexico to pay for it.

While you are on your high horse.. name one significant thing that Obama ever did?

Thanks to Trump supporters, all we have is our taxpayer money being wasted on Trump vacations, no major progress done in the first 100 days, a whole bunch of political tension among Americans, a shitload of scandal, and Republicans revealing their hypocrisy and incompetence because they couldn't reform healthcare despite controlling all 3 branches of government and basically admitted Obamacare was the best solution to healthcare despite bitching endlessly about it and sabotaging it back when they were out of power pretending they had a better healthcare solution when in reality they were just solution-less obstructing complainers providing absolutely no value to Americans while getting paid to do nothing.

Oh yeah, and the Republicans used the nuclear option to force an anti-gay judge on the Supreme Court who follows in the tradition of that homophobic bigot Scalia.   ::)

Trump hasn't taken any vacation yet.  Few people know this… but Washington D.C. is a very nasty city... with an extremely high crime rate, and happens to be built upon old swampland.  Mar A Lago is considered the "Second White House".  They are about to deal with healthcare - you must not have been reading the news. 
While I agree that Gorsuch is awful.. what judge isn't awful?  Certainly that Ginsburg is a monster.

you're so right, liberals can only tell lies and conservatives can only tell truths. It really is that simple

Conservatives can and do lie also…  but liberals have to - because they are fundamentally wrong. 
One example of a conservative asshole is that new Justice Gorsuch.  The caveat there is.. pretty much all judges and lawyers are assholes.

Oh yeah, and the Republicans used the nuclear option to force an anti-gay judge on the Supreme Court who follows in the tradition of that homophobic bigot Scalia.  ::)

I'm not a Trump supporter

Ha! Thanks for making me laugh

Pretty much every President and person running for President has lied, except probably Carter.

It says it all.

Another day, another post about liberals. The tears just won't stop falling. :blink:

So you have no problem with people making up lies about others?

@raphjd:

The problem is, it's the liberals who are purposely using lies here on this site to end discussions they don't like.  Why aren't conservatives here using such extreme lies to get other users banned, like liberals are using?  It's a very one sided thing.

Why is an elementary teacher teaching her students that lieing about "the enemy" (read conservatives) is a good thing?

Why are liberals still maintaining Talcum X's lie that he's black?

without LIES..  LIbEralS would not exist…

Wow. Such insight. Such maturity.  Why do you need to resort to name calling and childish tactics like this? Did you run out of more creative insults or does the idea that there are also conservatives who lie too much for you to handle?

Here's an example of some research which shows all of Trump's lies in office so far. And no, you can't call it fake news just because you don't like what it's saying.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/?utm_term=.2a85e1fc8dfa

And how about Trump's lies about prosecuting and locking up Hillary after the election? Nope, not happening.
Or his promise to replace and repeal Obamacare? Nope. another lie. Fail!
And the border wall to be PAID FOR BY MEXICO? Big Lie! Good luck with getting that to happen.

See- all those examples are fact. Not lies, because as adults, we can tell the difference between reality and fantasy.
But, I guess it's way past your nappy time Fred. I won't borEu with more reasoned and thoughtful discussion. You're just too clever for me.  ::)

The problem is, it's the liberals who are purposely using lies here on this site to end discussions they don't like.  Why aren't conservatives here using such extreme lies to get other users banned, like liberals are using?  It's a very one sided thing.

Why is an elementary teacher teaching her students that lieing about "the enemy" (read conservatives) is a good thing?

Why are liberals still maintaining Talcum X's lie that he's black?

without LIES..  LIbEralS would not exist…

Your big "fact" for the day is that for every CNN, there is a Fox News.  Uh.. no… virtually all the media and all the moronic late night clown shows are extremely biased against Trump.  Fox is pretty much the only one that is not. 
In the old days.. credible journalists such as John Chancellor, David Brinkley, Walter Cronkite, Peter Jennings, etc.  stuck to REPORTING the news.. instead of constantly spinning the news with their biased political views.  Nobody even knew that Cronkite was a democrat until after he retired.

@brianboru72:

If you're sincere about arriving at an answer to your question raphjd, I respectfully advise you to look at the flip side of the coin and ask the same question of conservatives.
Because the fact is for every CNN, there is a Fox News. Both sides are guilty of biases and of spinning things to benefit their side. But the responsibility is ultimately on YOU- the one reading the news- to actively seek out both sides to any big story and come to a conclusion based on that.

So- to modify your question: Why do liberals AND conservatives find it hard to tell the truth? Because it's so easy to think that our side is completely right. It's so easy to demonize our opponents as being liars. Because it's human nature to fall prey to our biases and this in turn leads us to think that anything that disagrees with our world view is a lie.

We can all fall prey to confirmation bias- to just read all the news and articles which supports our way of thinking. That's a sure way to be blind to the other side, the other half of the story and the main person to be hurt by that blindness would be ourselves.

Why is an elementary teacher teaching her students that lieing about "the enemy" (read conservatives) is a good thing?

Why are liberals still maintaining Talcum X's lie that he's black?

So- to modify your question: Why do liberals AND conservatives find it hard to tell the truth? Because it's so easy to think that our side is completely right. It's so easy to demonize our opponents as being liars. Because it's human nature to fall prey to our biases and this in turn leads us to think that anything that disagrees with our world view is a lie.

We can all fall prey to confirmation bias- to just read all the news and articles which supports our way of thinking. That's a sure way to be blind to the other side, the other half of the story and the main person to be hurt by that blindness would be ourselves.

Gee, I had no idea Donald Trump was a liberal, since nobody lies as much as he does.

This is blatant whataboutism and didn't even address his post.

Why are conservatives filled with such extreme blind hatred? Every post from conservatives is one big temper tantrum, filled with pure unrelenting anger.

Blatant tone policing.  Rather than address the contents of his actual post, you complain about the tone, he's "angry" he's "throwing a tantrum".

You better count yourself lucky that the only thing conservatives do when they "throw a tantrum" is speak angrily.  What do liberals do when they throw a tantrum?

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/11/pearl_district_ne_portland_wak.html

They riot, and cause billions worth of damage.

Blatant hypocrisy, blatant lies, of which your post is exemplary.

It's good to see you haven't lost your grasp on the "but I'm special" liberalism fantasy.

holds up gigantic fucking mirror with "CONFIRMATION BIAS" spraypainted onto the surface

Why do liberals find it so hard to tell the truth?!

A user reported me for calling him a "faggot nigger" in a post.   He went on to demand that I get banned from the site.   He forgot that the post he claims this happened in is still there.   I guess he was hoping that a mod would see his report and just ban me.    He's never posted before, so how would I even know who the fuck he is to call him that?!

Another user has been claiming that I have been targeting him, yet he's still here posting.   If I was targeting him, I must suck at it considering I could  ban him and be done with it.

"Mouldylocks" the female antifa rioter who got punched at Berkley, told countless lies in the interview she did on TV.   She tweeted that she was going to the protest to commit acts of violence.   She was putting M-80s into wine bottles and throwing them at the "nazis".

We have that elementary school teacher who teaches her students "by any means necessary".   On Tucker Carlson, she said that nothing was taboo.  She said that lies and violence were good things to use against "the enemy".

CNN, Don Lemon, Simone Sanders, etc refused to call the Chicago kidnapping a hate crime, even after the 4 blacks admitted it was a hate crime and they were charged with hate crimes.

Feminists routinely claim that 1/3rd (or 1/4th or 1/5th) of all women will be raped in their life time.  Gloria Alred made this claim on the Donahue show back in the 90s and she still maintains it as "truth".   This number seems to come from the highly pathetic CDC study, as well as other places, that counted "attempted unwanted kiss" and "he said he was rich to get me to sleep with him" as rape/sexual assault.

Don "Sour" Lemon is the epitome of fake news and bias.  He is gay himself.. which is regrettable!   Send him to the straight people!  
Gloria Allred has made a career out of hating men and wearing crimson red dresses.  While I don't doubt that 1/3 of women claim to have been raped… just how many of those were actual rapes?   I don't consider someone having sex.. deciding that it was a rape 3 weeks later because the guy dumped her and didn't call her back.  "He used me!  Wahhh!"

You better watch it Raphjd!  I don't remember who the mod of the forums is... but if that guy reports you to him, you could be BANNED from the site!!!  Maybe you should give yourself a spanking!
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