SJWS - Has anyone met one?
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"SJW" is just the new cool fearmongering term that conservatives and some centrists like to use, just like the "uppities" and the Great Feminist Menace
of yesteryear (even though some people today still seem to be stuck in the past, tragically).The reality is that save for a few misguided folks, usually teens who don't have a very in-depth grasp of social politics, as well as a good lot of blatant trolls who know very well what they're doing, the majority of what gets classified as "some kind of SJW bullshit" can be anything from centrist/mainstream/"normal" equality politics (the kind your local law already accounts for, probably, unless you live in some fundie haven), to politics further on the left that favour equity over equality, to radical left politics which don't beat around the bush when it comes to identifying and bringing attention to inequality and "heavier" forms of oppression (like fascism or imperialism), and which are generally known for not being very nice, as they forego all forms of respectability politics.
It's a lot easier to just call everything you don't like or wish to comprehend "SJW bullshit" and label everyone who tries to have a rational discussion about these politics a "pesky SJW" or a "tumblrina" even if they aren't as per the words' definitions, which is why threads like these end up being created everywhere on the Internet, including gay porn sites apparently.
EDIT: Also, according to a lot of people, even something as simple as bringing up LGBT topics or just mentioning that gay people exist is considered "SJW bullshit" and "pandering", which should give you an idea of just how useful that term is in general.
I guess you mean like the left calling everyone a racist, sexist, homophobe, etc, etc, etc who disagrees with them.
I'm an egalitarian and I'm called a woman hater because I believe in true gender equality. I guess my sisters, mom and female family and friends are also wome haters. They too hate feminism, for the reasons I have outlined in various threads.
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Not yet more drivel on a subject none of you will agree on :th:
If you don't like the topic, then don't read it. How simple is that?
And no need to double post (other post removed as spam) your whining.
Besides, it makes you hypocritical considering your constant fights with Ellis.
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I guess you ignored this bit from your link;
Non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression may very well be interpreted by the courts in the future to include the right to be identified by a person’s self identified pronoun. The Ontario Human Rights Commission, for example, in their Policy on Preventing Discrimination Because of Gender Identity and Expression states that gender harassment should include “ Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun”. In other words, pronoun misuse may become actionable, though the Human Rights Tribunals and courts. And the remedies? Monetary damages, non-financial remedies (for example, ceasing the discriminatory practice or reinstatement to job) and public interest remedies (for example, changing hiring practices or developing non-discriminatory policies and procedures). Jail time is not one of them.
Just because prison isn't one of the punishments, doesn't mean that refusing to use some made up personal pronouns is being criminalized.
Not cleaning up after your dog (dog fouling) is a criminal offense with no jail time. The same with littering. The only difference is the amount of the financial penalty. Many things are criminal offenses, that have no jail time.
You are soooooooooooo desperate to make everyone believe that SJWs don't exist, that you are willing to distort anything that counters your stance.
I like how you conveniently left this out:
"So what does this mean for pronoun misuse? Well, refusing to use a person’s self identified pronoun is not going to be considered advocating genocide – unless the refusal to use the pronouns was accompanied by actually advocating genocide against trans and gender non-binary folks.Similarly, it’s hard to see the refusal to use the appropriate pronoun –without something else – rising to the threshold of hate speech. Hate speech laws in Canada have only been used- and only can be used – against extreme forms of speech – explicitly and extreme forms of homophobic, anti-Semitic or racist speech. Moreover, prosecution needs the approval of the Attorney General."
If you want real world examples of SJWs, then watch YouTube videos. There are countless videos of SJWs doing what they do best. You get to see their logic coming from their own mouths. You get to see how peaceful and lovely they are when someone disagrees with them. You get to see them pour piss on Lauren Southern and try to run away but get caught, because she doesn't agree that there are unliited genders.
THIS IS MY FUCKING POINT! The only place I see SJWS are on the internet. What are you not getting? Why are so threatened by this idea? In none of my comments did I say SJWs didn't exist yet you keep saying that I want them to not exist.
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Do you lot ever get bored? Because I do.
Pointless verbose exchanges between people who will never agree aren't the most edifying topic on a gay torrent site.
And you do go on and on and on and on….
I'm trying to get an opposing viewpoint in here. This place is an echo chamber.
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Could you give any example of this stuff in real life and not tumblr?
Oh honey, trust me, everyone has met radical misandrists (self-proclaimed feminists) in real life. I'm part of the Anarcha-queer community in my country and I have seen a lot of women shaming men just because they are men. As well as shaming other women just because they consider themselves 100% heterosexual and like going with men. This year I even encountered someone who claimed that men should not take off their t-shirts cause it's making women uncomfortable. But it doesn't end there, women should also not take their top off, if they fall into the stereotypical "beauty" category cause it's making other women uncomfortable too. This is not what Feminism is about. Feminism is about freedom and equality: if a guy (or a girl or anyone) takes their shirt off as a sign of personal freedom, you don't shame them and tell them to put it on again. You take your shirt off too. Screaming onto other people's ideas of freedom won't help anyone. You are just being a jerk if you do so.
That's strange, I wasn't there a huge feminist free the nipple movement early this year?
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I guess you ignored this bit from your link;
Non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression may very well be interpreted by the courts in the future to include the right to be identified by a person’s self identified pronoun. The Ontario Human Rights Commission, for example, in their Policy on Preventing Discrimination Because of Gender Identity and Expression states that gender harassment should include “ Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun”. In other words, pronoun misuse may become actionable, though the Human Rights Tribunals and courts. And the remedies? Monetary damages, non-financial remedies (for example, ceasing the discriminatory practice or reinstatement to job) and public interest remedies (for example, changing hiring practices or developing non-discriminatory policies and procedures). Jail time is not one of them.
Just because prison isn't one of the punishments, doesn't mean that refusing to use some made up personal pronouns is being criminalized.
Not cleaning up after your dog (dog fouling) is a criminal offense with no jail time. The same with littering. The only difference is the amount of the financial penalty. Many things are criminal offenses, that have no jail time.
You are soooooooooooo desperate to make everyone believe that SJWs don't exist, that you are willing to distort anything that counters your stance.
I like how you conveniently left this out:
"So what does this mean for pronoun misuse? Well, refusing to use a person’s self identified pronoun is not going to be considered advocating genocide – unless the refusal to use the pronouns was accompanied by actually advocating genocide against trans and gender non-binary folks.Similarly, it’s hard to see the refusal to use the appropriate pronoun –without something else – rising to the threshold of hate speech. Hate speech laws in Canada have only been used- and only can be used – against extreme forms of speech – explicitly and extreme forms of homophobic, anti-Semitic or racist speech. Moreover, prosecution needs the approval of the Attorney General."
If you want real world examples of SJWs, then watch YouTube videos. There are countless videos of SJWs doing what they do best. You get to see their logic coming from their own mouths. You get to see how peaceful and lovely they are when someone disagrees with them. You get to see them pour piss on Lauren Southern and try to run away but get caught, because she doesn't agree that there are unliited genders.
THIS IS MY FUCKING POINT! The only place I see SJWS are on the internet. What are you not getting? Why are so threatened by this idea? In none of my comments did I say SJWs didn't exist yet you keep saying that I want them to not exist.
Seriously, are you really that desperate that you are ignoring the bit I quoted from your link? Nothing in the bit says you need genocide to be guilty of a hate crime.
You want people to think SJWs don't exist because you never met one in real life. If you limit your "news" to Tumblr, Salon, MTV Decoded and whatnot, they won't show the stories about SJWs going mental. Try broadening your news sources and you will see a lot more SJWs.
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Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.
Here's the bit where you claim SJWs only ever exist is in minds of "other people" (read: people who disagree with you) on the internet.
Also, GT.ru is not an echo chamber because we don't censor view points, despite how many SJWs report topics insisting they be deleted. Everyone can express their viewpoint, unless they start name calling, which over the last few days I have, as the forum admin, ignored when people have called me a troll and other things.
The only thing topics we do not allow are illegal ones, as noted in the forum rules.
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Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.
Here's the bit where you claim SJWs only ever exist is in minds of "other people" (read: people who disagree with you) on the internet.
Also, GT.ru is not an echo chamber because we don't censor view points, despite how many SJWs report topics insisting they be deleted. Everyone can express their viewpoint, unless they start name calling, which over the last few days I have, as the forum admin, ignored when people have called me a troll and other things.
The only thing topics we do not allow are illegal ones, as noted in the forum rules.
I did not say those words. What the fuck? I said the only time a hear about SJWs is when people on the internet complain about them. I didn't say they didn't exist. I don't know why you keep saying that I'm saying that but I'm not. You're arguing against a strawman.
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Umm, that quote is exactly what you said.
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Umm, that quote is exactly what you said.
Let's compare:
"SJWs do not exist"
"To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them. "
No it is not what I said. What are you not getting?
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I guess you ignored this bit from your link;
Non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression may very well be interpreted by the courts in the future to include the right to be identified by a person’s self identified pronoun. The Ontario Human Rights Commission, for example, in their Policy on Preventing Discrimination Because of Gender Identity and Expression states that gender harassment should include “ Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun”. In other words, pronoun misuse may become actionable, though the Human Rights Tribunals and courts. And the remedies? Monetary damages, non-financial remedies (for example, ceasing the discriminatory practice or reinstatement to job) and public interest remedies (for example, changing hiring practices or developing non-discriminatory policies and procedures). Jail time is not one of them.
Just because prison isn't one of the punishments, doesn't mean that refusing to use some made up personal pronouns is being criminalized.
Not cleaning up after your dog (dog fouling) is a criminal offense with no jail time. The same with littering. The only difference is the amount of the financial penalty. Many things are criminal offenses, that have no jail time.
You are soooooooooooo desperate to make everyone believe that SJWs don't exist, that you are willing to distort anything that counters your stance.
I like how you conveniently left this out:
"So what does this mean for pronoun misuse? Well, refusing to use a person’s self identified pronoun is not going to be considered advocating genocide – unless the refusal to use the pronouns was accompanied by actually advocating genocide against trans and gender non-binary folks.Similarly, it’s hard to see the refusal to use the appropriate pronoun –without something else – rising to the threshold of hate speech. Hate speech laws in Canada have only been used- and only can be used – against extreme forms of speech – explicitly and extreme forms of homophobic, anti-Semitic or racist speech. Moreover, prosecution needs the approval of the Attorney General."
If you want real world examples of SJWs, then watch YouTube videos. There are countless videos of SJWs doing what they do best. You get to see their logic coming from their own mouths. You get to see how peaceful and lovely they are when someone disagrees with them. You get to see them pour piss on Lauren Southern and try to run away but get caught, because she doesn't agree that there are unliited genders.
THIS IS MY FUCKING POINT! The only place I see SJWS are on the internet. What are you not getting? Why are so threatened by this idea? In none of my comments did I say SJWs didn't exist yet you keep saying that I want them to not exist.
Seriously, are you really that desperate that you are ignoring the bit I quoted from your link? Nothing in the bit says you need genocide to be guilty of a hate crime.
You want people to think SJWs don't exist because you never met one in real life. If you limit your "news" to Tumblr, Salon, MTV Decoded and whatnot, they won't show the stories about SJWs going mental. Try broadening your news sources and you will see a lot more SJWs.
The quote says that the hate crime needs to be a serious one. Refusing to use someone's preferred pronoun isn't serious. You are over exaggerating this bill to make it seem like the spooky scary SJWs are breaking down doors shotgunning people who don't say the right pronouns in front of their family.
One question, and answer honestly:
Have you met an SJW in real life? -
The quote says that the hate crime needs to be a serious one. Refusing to use someone's preferred pronoun isn't serious. You are over exaggerating this bill to make it seem like the spooky scary SJWs are breaking down doors shotgunning people who don't say the right pronouns in front of their family.
One question, and answer honestly:
Have you met an SJW in real life?Considering how some groups are acting, is just a matter of time before they throw you a glove because you forgot to refer to them as 'Xer' or 'Xel'.
And I've known a few SJW throughout my life.
The 'friends' who say they have your back when you come out and are supposedly soo liberal that they don't care about being seen with the 'gay' boy, but they barely do things with you anymore, or ended up being irked if you ever tap their shoulder again.
My Macroeconomics teacher in Uni. Always talking about how females had the less opportunities and received the less help. Always shaming the male students in one way or another. Btw, she always talked about the poor females living in poverty, but never said anything regarding the poor who were also male.
My Economic Analysis teacher, supposedly a Marxist, indigenist (pro-native mexicans)…last time he actually did something to help the poor ethnic groups he always talked about, he hadn't even finished college yet. Now he just sits in his cubicle comfortably without any care to visit the marginalized zones. Of course he keeps mentioning the Conquista and how the 'evil WHITE spaniards, raped the poor native mexican women and basically fucked up the soo called greater destiny the Aztecs would have had if the europeans didn't had shown up.
A perfectly healthy woman in the subway once defended her 'right' to sit on the Elder/People with disabilities/Pregnant or child-carring women Seat. Because she was a woman. (A young, healthy, non-pregnant, non-child-carrying woman) while there were elderly people INCLUDING OTHER WOMEN, standing up.
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Umm, that quote is exactly what you said.
Let's compare:
"SJWs do not exist"
"To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them. "
No it is not what I said. What are you not getting?
SOOOOOO dishonest.
In your quote, you are claiming that SJWs only exist on the internet and only because people complain about them. Nowhere in the quote do you admit that you have seen any SJWs anywhere, in real life or on the internet. You act as if they are mythical creatures that right-wingers made up.
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"SJW" is just the new cool fearmongering term that conservatives and some centrists like to use, just like the "uppities" and the Great Feminist Menace
of yesteryear (even though some people today still seem to be stuck in the past, tragically).The reality is that save for a few misguided folks, usually teens who don't have a very in-depth grasp of social politics, as well as a good lot of blatant trolls who know very well what they're doing, the majority of what gets classified as "some kind of SJW bullshit" can be anything from centrist/mainstream/"normal" equality politics (the kind your local law already accounts for, probably, unless you live in some fundie haven), to politics further on the left that favour equity over equality, to radical left politics which don't beat around the bush when it comes to identifying and bringing attention to inequality and "heavier" forms of oppression (like fascism or imperialism), and which are generally known for not being very nice, as they forego all forms of respectability politics.
It's a lot easier to just call everything you don't like or wish to comprehend "SJW bullshit" and label everyone who tries to have a rational discussion about these politics a "pesky SJW" or a "tumblrina" even if they aren't as per the words' definitions, which is why threads like these end up being created everywhere on the Internet, including gay porn sites apparently.
EDIT: Also, according to a lot of people, even something as simple as bringing up LGBT topics or just mentioning that gay people exist is considered "SJW bullshit" and "pandering", which should give you an idea of just how useful that term is in general.
Ah, so a few folks are causing all the crap we see all over the west.
What exactly are you saying is mainstream or centrist that got labeled SJW? I'd love to know.
Which is worse; #KillAllWhites or #KillAllBlacks I can tell you that this experiment was done on Twitter by several people and Twitter only banned accounts that post one of these, but not the other. Similar thing on Facebook and YouTube.
YouTube bans for racist videos unless it's anti-white racist videos. The same as Facebook. Both have countless channels/pages of black supremacists and nothing happens to them, but white supremacists get their channels deleted. I believe that ALL racism is bad and should be deleted.
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The quote says that the hate crime needs to be a serious one. Refusing to use someone's preferred pronoun isn't serious. You are over exaggerating this bill to make it seem like the spooky scary SJWs are breaking down doors shotgunning people who don't say the right pronouns in front of their family.
One question, and answer honestly:
Have you met an SJW in real life?Considering how some groups are acting, is just a matter of time before they throw you a glove because you forgot to refer to them as 'Xer' or 'Xel'.
And I've known a few SJW throughout my life.
The 'friends' who say they have your back when you come out and are supposedly soo liberal that they don't care about being seen with the 'gay' boy, but they barely do things with you anymore, or ended up being irked if you ever tap their shoulder again.
My Macroeconomics teacher in Uni. Always talking about how females had the less opportunities and received the less help. Always shaming the male students in one way or another. Btw, she always talked about the poor females living in poverty, but never said anything regarding the poor who were also male.
My Economic Analysis teacher, supposedly a Marxist, indigenist (pro-native mexicans)…last time he actually did something to help the poor ethnic groups he always talked about, he hadn't even finished college yet. Now he just sits in his cubicle comfortably without any care to visit the marginalized zones. Of course he keeps mentioning the Conquista and how the 'evil WHITE spaniards, raped the poor native mexican women and basically fucked up the soo called greater destiny the Aztecs would have had if the europeans didn't had shown up.
A perfectly healthy woman in the subway once defended her 'right' to sit on the Elder/People with disabilities/Pregnant or child-carring women Seat. Because she was a woman. (A young, healthy, non-pregnant, non-child-carrying woman) while there were elderly people INCLUDING OTHER WOMEN, standing up.
Has anyone ever asked you to refer to them as 'Xer' or 'Xel'?
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Umm, that quote is exactly what you said.
Let's compare:
"SJWs do not exist"
"To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them. "
No it is not what I said. What are you not getting?
SOOOOOO dishonest.
In your quote, you are claiming that SJWs only exist on the internet and only because people complain about them. Nowhere in the quote do you admit that you have seen any SJWs anywhere, in real life or on the internet. You act as if they are mythical creatures that right-wingers made up.
It's not dishonest. there is a huge fucking difference between those two sentences and I don't know why you can't see that. If you can't see such a basic thing and keep making up stuff I didn't say to argue against then we can't continue this debate.
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Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.
Show me the part of that statement, FROM YOU, that shows you admit that SJWs exist other than because people complain about them.
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Could you give any example of this stuff in real life and not tumblr?
Oh honey, trust me, everyone has met radical misandrists (self-proclaimed feminists) in real life. I'm part of the Anarcha-queer community in my country and I have seen a lot of women shaming men just because they are men. As well as shaming other women just because they consider themselves 100% heterosexual and like going with men. This year I even encountered someone who claimed that men should not take off their t-shirts cause it's making women uncomfortable. But it doesn't end there, women should also not take their top off, if they fall into the stereotypical "beauty" category cause it's making other women uncomfortable too. This is not what Feminism is about. Feminism is about freedom and equality: if a guy (or a girl or anyone) takes their shirt off as a sign of personal freedom, you don't shame them and tell them to put it on again. You take your shirt off too. Screaming onto other people's ideas of freedom won't help anyone. You are just being a jerk if you do so.
That's strange, I wasn't there a huge feminist free the nipple movement early this year?
Do you think that person you met represents all feminists?We constantly see the man hating feminists and their campaigns. We never see the "good" feminists and their campaigns.
Where are the so-called good feminists that believe in true gender equality?! Either they don't actually exist or they are sitting on their sofas will the man haters are out doing feminist campaigns.
We do see women MRAs and Egalitarians and their campaigns.
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Where are the so-called good feminists that believe in true gender equality?!
Here.
So. What do we now?
Are you going to tell me, that I am not, or just not true? -
Has anyone ever asked you to refer to them as 'Xer' or 'Xel'?
Luckily those kind of issues haven't made their way down here. We don't have those non-binary, non-comforming, gender-neutral stuff down here in Mexico. We just got the upper class kids claiming they're vegan while the rest of us are meat-eating murderers or our Ecologist Green Party passing out laws that supposedly help animals but instead have resulted in animals being put to sleep.
And no, simply because we do have indeterminate pronouns and we use gender pronouns according to what we see and no one gets offended by it.
Maybe that's why I find the pronoun thing utterly stupid. And giving more thought to it, is almost self-segregating, since you're putting yourself apart from the others on the basis of your sexual identity.
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