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    Does political correctness do more harm than good?

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      farmboy2015
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      Political correct this might not be the problem but the double standard discount to the different groups is

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        moonmonday
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        The thing is, basically the whole 'political correctness' stigma came about because some political groups decided to try and shame people for being more tolerant, inclusive, and considerate. They decided that calling it being 'politically correct' and making it out to be like some brain-damaged oversensitivity would create a backlash…which they helped to foster. It's led handily to the modern sociopolitical climate of a bunch of people acting out in ways that would embarrass a toddler to pearl-clutching disdain, all with the handy excuse that they're 'against political correctness' -- because who wants to think about other people bearing social labels you don't share?

        This whole issue boils down to people wanting to have excuses for being assholes and trying to shame people that make them realise they're not always good people. There's always been a huge amount of contempt for people who try and consider others' feelings, try and help those less fortunate or in different circumstances, even people who protect and help animals who have no other defenders...and that's what this dialogue boils down to: people excusing their immature, irresponsible, intolerant behaviour and pointing to 'political correctness', which has been handily savaged and has nothing whatsoever to do with political anything.

        The actual things people to, to consider the feelings, circumstances, and social groupings of others, are good and beneficial to society. The whole 'politically correct' debate, however, has far outlived its day. Call a spade a spade. But of course, in politics, we can't do that, and the only people who are open and plain-spoken tend to be morons like Donald Trump, who wouldn't know a spade from a tiffany lamp.

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          grover59
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          In order to be politically correct, you have to lie and avoid facing the truth in yourself and others.

          grover59

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            altoids582
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            The major proponents for political correctness often seem the most bigoted people imaginable. You can honestly find neo-Nazis that are more tolerant than those that suggest being PC is at all a good thing.

            I've been surprised how many people that push for such crap actually have the gall to suggest things like pedophilia deserve acceptance in society, even when the pedophiles they're wanting to defend have talked of molesting children. Along with crazed fucks often defending Islam even when they're calling for the execution of gays (apparently it's 'Islamophobic' to suggest to them that Islamic societies executing gays is wrong).

            A lot of the problems with PC culture seem to stem from people finding pride in being offended, leading them to trying to be offended by anything they see. There was the semi-famous story of Rebecca Watson (?) who at an Atheism conference complained that being asked if she wanted to have coffee in someone's room was akin to rape, and when people laughed at her on twitter she diagnosed herself as having PTSD, and got a soldier in trouble who was insulted by her suggestion of having PTSD due to saying something online (think it was getting him discharged or court marshaled).

            There's just too many people that want to play the Oppression Olympics, coming up with new ways to consider themselves harassed or discriminated against (the UN even had people go there in the past couple weeks suggesting it was harassment that people disagree with them online and that it should be censored). Then there's also all the people that want to feel morally superior to others by pandering to those engaging in the Oppression Olympics. They want to justify how people can feel discriminated against (because some guys sat on a train with their legs spread or disagreed with them about something), which leads to some of the most deranged logic imaginable to try and suggest these feelings of 'discrimination' actually made sense.

            It should also seems worth repeating that those that push PC culture often have no issue with being assholes, they just to justify it through PC language so they can feel morally superior to those they send death threats to or just plain harass various individuals.

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              deflorare
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              There's a big difference between someone simply being polite and being extremely politically correct!

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                WackyRabbit
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                Why is it so hard for people to be polite?  They is so much hate all around, why do you need to fan the flames.  As my mother told me, "If you have nothing polite to say, keep you damn BIG mouth SHUT! It is better to say nothing than to hurt someone in any way. I do not understand or know why people need to be so hateful among one another, our lives are short and we should enjoy each day that is given to us.  If do not like what someone says or does, then walk away or do not watch.

                Remember me with smiles and laughter
                For that's how I will remember you all
                For if you can only remember with tears
                Then please don't remember me at all.

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                  Valicore
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                  The idea that political correctness is a bad thing is so ridiculous, political correctness is nothing other than society evolving into people being more sensitive and generally better people in terms of how they treat others. This is something you can see in higher education now, the LANGUAGE that people use is directly correlating with the way that they treat other people. As a linguist I can say that the words we use and the way we express themselves have a lasting impact on the way we think and the way we treat other people, so it's important to do that.

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                    bumcum
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                    Political correctness is just an attempt to suppress free speech.  The sooner political correctness is discarded into the trash bin of history, the better.

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                      lilactree201
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                      As a Uni student I feel like if politically correct language is something you want to use, PC opinions the opinions you want to advocate for, fine that's your choice, no problem. The problem is this is about more than politeness or sensitivity, it is censoring not just words but also opinions. When you start codifying it and enforcing it on other people, as is happening on some campuses, it becomes authoritarian :police: and intolerant of dissent. Like who gave you the authority to decide what can be said/who can speak? You're not only taking away the opportunity of the speaker you are also robbing everyone else who wanted to listen and decide for themselves. Basically taking control for your own viewpoint. I've always thought myself leftist but can't side with ppl who want to control language or shout down others you disagree with, that's just illiberal.

                      Gay comedian Dave Rubin has a great youtube channel where he interviews guests about this kinda stuff, if anyone is interested. "The Rubin Report"

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                        altoids582
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                        @Valicore:

                        The idea that political correctness is a bad thing is so ridiculous, political correctness is nothing other than society evolving into people being more sensitive and generally better people in terms of how they treat others. This is something you can see in higher education now, the LANGUAGE that people use is directly correlating with the way that they treat other people. As a linguist I can say that the words we use and the way we express themselves have a lasting impact on the way we think and the way we treat other people, so it's important to do that.

                        "people being more sensitive" to what? "generally better people" to who?

                        There are people sensitive to clapping. I'm not even kidding. There are people that feel it's just too much for them to have people clap in an audience and to be more sensitive to their needs, they do JAZZ HANDS.

                        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/24/feminist-conference-says-clapping-triggers-anxiety/

                        And generally better people to who? Many of those preaching for Political Correctness use their own deranged definitions to say that men cannot be raped and instead just "victims of non-consensual sex". Language certainly does affect people when they believe in these strange PC definitions, but that's not a positive thing when it means those people using that language are wanting to write off any sort of harassment or bigotry that doesn't support their world view. To many of those that say that all gay men are inherently sexist and hate women as evidenced by their lack of interest in dicking them, it is "being more sensitive" to ask gay men to recognize that they're inherently misogynistic.

                        PC language has hindered a lot of discussion such as occurred on Bill Maher's show recently:
                        Youtube Video

                        In the clip, Maher talks about how a large minority of Muslims are supporting wretched things like honor killings of rape victims. The horribly politically correct woman constantly tries to ignore this and say "diversity is our strength" (rings a bit of 1984 with that) and whenever anything is brought up about this portion of Muslims supporting horrific things, she ends up implying it's wrong to talk about it because she thinks if you criticize a portion it means criticizing the whole.

                        The Foundation for individual Rights in Education (FIRE) seems to encounter people using PC culture to censor people as well as demand others agree with them or else.

                        Youtube Video

                        I also have to mention, that many of those that preach for PC culture are often quite supportive of harassing others, which I wouldn't think of as being a "better person".

                        http://www.stopthegrbullies.com/2015/03/19/fionna-free-mans-book-pulled-from-amazon/

                        There's quite a few members of the PC police that find their delicate sensibilities offended, will go out and engage in campaigns to get books censored. Even Anne Rice has commented on this phenomena. Thing is, they often get upset with things that don't even exist in those books. Likely because of the echo chamber around political correct groups they do not allow for any information that contradicts them to enter the picture. Which is the root problem with political correctness, it creates echo chambers where no 'wrongthink' can enter.

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                          There's a huge difference between being polite and being PC.

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                            amicusets
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                            Bravo, Altoids528!!! :love: :love: :love:
                            PC is used to stifle free speech and differing opinions in most instances and used as a way to shame others. No place for it in a free society.

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                              Matie
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                              I hate it. Generally it has been a way for women to control speech, to thereby passively aggressively dominate men

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                                @Matie:

                                I hate it. Generally it has been a way for women to control speech, to thereby passively aggressively dominate men

                                It's not just women who use it.  The entire regressive Left, Social Justice Warriors and Feminists use it, regardless of their gender.

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                                  kumar777
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                                  Have a look at the political correctness of dissociating ISIS with islam. These quranimals all are blood thirsty and intolerant of everyone except their fellow goat fuckers. the world would be a lot safer and peaceful with this cancer called islam gone.

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                                    Matie
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                                    True, all SJWs use political correctness to suppress speech they don't like. Mansplaining is out, if your a white male then your speech doesn't count, apparently. Although female feminists (male feminists is a bit of a contradiction in terms. although there are some self hating males in the world) seem to be at the apex of the hierarchy and try to censor speech most vehemently, with their passive aggressive vitriol

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                                      kwyjibo
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                                      There is no place for censorship in society.

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                                        gaypraha2
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                                        There is no place for censorship in society.

                                        Well in my society thank god there is. we think total freedom of speech like in the US is just irresponsible. Therefore we have laws to prosecute any racist, antisemitic, homophobic, negationism. (anyone saying for instance jews werent killed in germany during WWII on twitter, facebook you name it goes immediately to a court of law, anyone saying this human race is superior to this one, anyone asking to kill all people from a country , an ethnic group, insults with racism, insult with homophobic theme)  There is no debate on basic universal human rights and so no freedom of speech on these subjects. We have a special police department for the internet and anyone can submit screen capture of anything that is related to the subjects I described above.
                                        Trump for saying that ISIS = all muslims would be immediately prosecuted. Humans are fragile, "Homo homini lupus est" most of them have low IQ, most of them dont read a thing, they are easily manipulated therefore political correctness , yes it's bad but to some point it's diplomacy. see how the germans went nuts yesterday with their hitler..and they were  educated.. some rules are needed to avoid a "new" hitler/ben laden [insert the name of a crazy dictator] to freely express himself.

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