The question is albeit freewill might exist, in a dogmatic view the path, and choice of path, and circumstance that make you chose said path, is always guided or predestined by a diety in some way… hence (god fault ) this in typical monotheist culture, I'd could easily argue that christianiaty is  not monotheistic and that god is unperfect in the bible, so freewill might actually exist around faulted dieties...

Who defines being perfect.. one's idea of perfection is all conditioning.. what may seem perfect to one may not be true for the other.. so if you think that a deity has to be perfect.. it should actually match ones idea of perfection.. hence nothing can be perfect… if viewed by all

Why would the car accident be God's fault?  Do you think there are not any gay Christians?

There are many gay Christians and I pray for them all.  It's just, I suppose, they should be able to see through the charade on their own but there are always a few who need extra guidance.

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Why would the car accident be God's fault?  Do you think there are not any gay Christians?

ur correct.. the cause/effect is personal action and not by religion ..  this has nothing to do with God..

I didn't say religion, as that is simply a belief structure.

HOWEVER,  many believers claim that everything is either caused by god or demons.  Nothing is anyones fault, because everything is out of their control.

"I didn't beat you, a demon did it through me."    "I didn't bomb that abortion clinic, god did it through me."

Why would the car accident be God's fault?  Do you think there are not any gay Christians?

ur correct.. the cause/effect is personal action and not by religion ..  this has nothing to do with God..

I think atheists are too self-centered.  It is all about them.

No Always.. I guess everyone is self-centered..

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for people who believe in science.. the big bang is yet to be proved also they Atoms origin from the bang is still a questionmark.. at the end its what you believe in.. Chicken ro egg

Yes indeed.  Belief.  I believe (or hope) the afterlife will be akin to a bathhouse on Gilligan's Island but I don't judge others based on my belief, nor do I attempt to impose my faith on others.  All are welcome on the island and the donkey dicks can stay in my hut.

I am hoping too..

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either religion and faith in God is the True fact or the prophets from all religions were the biggest scammers.. i believe that their messages are good.. so can they be scammers???..  Fact: Jesus as a messiah is actually mentioned in 4 religions

1. Christianity - mainly formed in Isreal
2. Islam  - Saudi Arabia
3. Judaism
4. Hinduism

all at different times in history.. so makes you think

And yet Jews don't believe Jesus was the mashiach. But then you have three or four different versions of the same book with different characters and plot development. It is almost like Hollywood and remakes of movies.

I would go so far as to say Hollywood takes it's inspiration from religion.  Don't like it?  Hmmm, let's do it again this time we'll do it with a prettier messiah so it sells in Peoria & Persia.

I guess they already have thine own Hollywood movie..

Why would the car accident be God's fault?  Do you think there are not any gay Christians?

To believers, everything is either god's plan or some demon did it.

We just watched a show about believers being cured of illnesses.  They didn't credit the medical profession or modern medicine.  Nope, god cured them.

The existence of gay christians does not prove anything other than they themselves exist.

Of course it's all about themselves.   Unlike believers, they don't have god or gods to worship and carry on about.

If I get into a car accident, it was either the other person's fault or mine, not gods or demons that caused it.

:true: :bravo: :thx:

I think atheists are too self-centered.  It is all about them.

Of course it's all about themselves.  Unlike believers, they don't have god or gods to worship and carry on about.

If I get into a car accident, it was either the other person's fault or mine, not gods or demons that caused it.

@lockedbashed:

either religion and faith in God is the True fact or the prophets from all religions were the biggest scammers.. i believe that their messages are good.. so can they be scammers???..  Fact: Jesus as a messiah is actually mentioned in 4 religions

1. Christianity - mainly formed in Isreal
2. Islam  - Saudi Arabia
3. Judaism
4. Hinduism

all at different times in history.. so makes you think

And yet Jews don't believe Jesus was the mashiach. But then you have three or four different versions of the same book with different characters and plot development. It is almost like Hollywood and remakes of movies.

I would go so far as to say Hollywood takes it's inspiration from religion.  Don't like it?  Hmmm, let's do it again this time we'll do it with a prettier messiah so it sells in Peoria & Persia.

for people who believe in science.. the big bang is yet to be proved also they Atoms origin from the bang is still a questionmark.. at the end its what you believe in.. Chicken ro egg

Yes indeed.  Belief.  I believe (or hope) the afterlife will be akin to a bathhouse on Gilligan's Island but I don't judge others based on my belief, nor do I attempt to impose my faith on others.  All are welcome on the island and the donkey dicks can stay in my hut.

either religion and faith in God is the True fact or the prophets from all religions were the biggest scammers.. i believe that their messages are good.. so can they be scammers???..  Fact: Jesus as a messiah is actually mentioned in 4 religions

1. Christianity - mainly formed in Isreal
2. Islam  - Saudi Arabia
3. Judaism
4. Hinduism

all at different times in history.. so makes you think

Does it?  Hopefully it does.  Just because some misguided individuals spouted messages that are 'good' does not make their belief (confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof) or faith (complete trust or confidence in someone or something) accurate.  Nor does their being wrong make them scammers.

I have known people to resist the idea, only to become Christians later on in life.  :love:

Sure and it's also a proven fact that people lose their faculties as they grow older.  I don't normally do the whole "if it quacks it must be a duck" but no person with any sense would waste their time with false idols so ya, some people dumb down later on in life.

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for people who believe in science.. the big bang is yet to be proved also they Atoms origin from the bang is still a questionmark.. at the end its what you believe in.. Chicken ro egg

Think about it there was this big bang that created everything. But then where was all this matter before the big bang. How did all this matter come about to begin with.

The bulk space where the higher dimensional world branes exist and vibrate next to each other.  When those vibrations cause them to touch, they cause a violent explosion creating a big bang.  The universe is not a closed end system and energy can flow in and out of the system.  Matter is derived from the carrier particle the Higgs boson, which is analogous to the photon for light.  The universe expands until it rips itself apart at the quantum level, then the process starts again.

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s8456.pdf

for people who believe in science.. the big bang is yet to be proved also they Atoms origin from the bang is still a questionmark.. at the end its what you believe in.. Chicken ro egg

Think about it there was this big bang that created everything. But then where was all this matter before the big bang. How did all this matter come about to begin with.

either religion and faith in God is the True fact or the prophets from all religions were the biggest scammers.. i believe that their messages are good.. so can they be scammers???..  Fact: Jesus as a messiah is actually mentioned in 4 religions

1. Christianity - mainly formed in Isreal
2. Islam  - Saudi Arabia
3. Judaism
4. Hinduism

all at different times in history.. so makes you think

And yet Jews don't believe Jesus was the mashiach. But then you have three or four different versions of the same book with different characters and plot development. It is almost like Hollywood and remakes of movies.

1. Christianity - mainly formed in Isreal
2. Islam  - Saudi Arabia
3. Judaism
4. Hinduism

all at different times in history.. so makes you think

In short, "What's a gay Christian?" can be best answered with "An indoctrinated maschoist".